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Michael Dugger

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Old Macdonald had a farm
« on: April 19, 2008, 05:37:11 PM »
John Kirk and I had the distinct pleasure of peeking in on Old Mac a few weeks back.  Jim Urbina was kind enough to give us some of his time.  Construction was under way; heavy equipment was moving about, Bruce was shaping the Sahara 3rd, Brian was creating dirt art with his excavator over on #6.   

What a piece of property. 

It’s more pure golf country, guys and gals, as described by Tillinghast or Mackenzie.  Rumpled terrain, 10-20 ft rollers.  An abundant amount of sand.  Perfect-sized bluffs and depressions upon which to locate tees and greens.  Ocean views.  Wind.  Scraggly trees.  Cool vegetation.  Everyone John and I talked to had HUGE smiles on their faces. 

A while back Tom gave a basic outline of the sequencing of holes so I don’t think I’ll be blowing the cover on anything by mentioning a few.   

The Sahara 3rd is going to be epic.  I will not say too much about it….  I really like the 7th greens complex up on the bluff.  Tom has mentioned the 16th (Alps) will probably be one of the last holes to be built, but from the existing landform you can already tell it holds A LOT of potential.  The face of each golf hole has yet to be fully worked through, but we could definitely get a feel for the “bones” of the course.

Below is an aerial with a crude stick-figure routing.  The first two holes will play over terrain much like Bandon Trails, then you will cross the bluff at the Sahara and play to a green located in the “bowl” which comprises the majority of the course.  The Hogsback 4th plays parallel to the bluff with the short 5th situated between it and the long 6th.   I saw the makings of a crazy railroad tie/sleeper hell bunker on the “Long” 6th.  I look forward to playing #7, which is Plateau, if I recall correctly.  It ought to be a hoot considering the fast and firm turf conditions I’m sure Old Mac will feature.   This green is very close to Pac Dunes 13.

Then you will turn around and blast inland towards the 200+ yd  Biarritz 8th.  9 is the Cape, bending to the right, which Tom told me will feature a man-made “natural” hazard of sand and gunk on the elbow.  Most of #3-8 had been shaped, 9-14 had not.   15 still needed cleared.  1, 2 and 16-18 basically had been cleared, nothing more, very crude still. 

There has been a lot of skepticism regarding the Old Macdonald concept.  I can’t say I am crazy about the name, but y’all ought to quit harping on the course.  At the heart of the matter, few things in golf course design are novel.  Every new course reuses and recycles design concepts that have proven timeless in the challenge they offer.  That’s what Macdonald did ages ago at NGLA, and that’s what Renaissance is doing in Bandon.

I snapped a handful of pictures but will only post them with Tom and Jim's blessing. 

Old Macdonald will be fabulous.

(I took down the image)
« Last Edit: April 19, 2008, 09:22:54 PM by Michael Dugger »
What does it matter if the poor player can putt all the way from tee to green, provided that he has to zigzag so frequently that he takes six or seven putts to reach it?     --Alistair Mackenzie--

RJ_Daley

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Re: Old Macdonald had a farm
« Reply #1 on: April 19, 2008, 06:01:27 PM »
Now that is what I call a great field trip.  I'll bet you guys were excited!  Thanks for the chance to vicariously enjoy your outting.  ;D 8)
No actual golf rounds were ruined or delayed, nor golf rules broken, in the taking of any photographs that may be displayed by the above forum user.

Michael Dugger

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Re: Old Macdonald had a farm
« Reply #2 on: April 19, 2008, 06:08:49 PM »
RJ

We even ran into Bill Coore.
I was pretty much "wide-eyed" all day long. 
Jim was a very good tour guide.
« Last Edit: April 19, 2008, 06:12:46 PM by Michael Dugger »
What does it matter if the poor player can putt all the way from tee to green, provided that he has to zigzag so frequently that he takes six or seven putts to reach it?     --Alistair Mackenzie--

Tom_Doak

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Re: Old Macdonald had a farm
« Reply #3 on: April 19, 2008, 06:37:58 PM »
Michael:

I was out there a week ago and was quite happy NOT to have anything posted about the course or the trip.  There is plenty of time for that ... like late this summer when it is starting to look like golf.  And I hope people can hold off asking 100 questions about it for now.  I'm sure there are other courses to talk about.

Progress has been good.  We hope to plant holes 3-11 by early June, and those would form the preview loop ... probably not available until early 2009.

Your stick-routing is fairly accurate until the last six holes, which are too long on the photo and don't extend so far to the north.  Thirteen and fourteen will be the two short 4's on the back side, after which the finish is four holes of 440+ yards.  The scorecard is a bit unbalanced since the Biarritz moved to the front nine, putting three short holes on the front (2, 5, 8) and only one on the back (the Redan-to-be, number 12).


Mike_Cirba

Re: Old Macdonald had a farm
« Reply #4 on: April 19, 2008, 08:18:51 PM »
Tom:

If I may...

I only have two questions, and I hope you'll indulge me for posterity's sake:

What is your middle initial and have you been on any trans-Atlantic sea voyages lately?

 ;D



And Tom...

All I can say is thank God you decided to write "The Confidential Guide...", or in 100 years some revisionist historian would clearly come to the conclusion that there is no way you could have visited all of those courses and learned as much as you did, so it must have been the Cornell influence of Robert Trent Jones that was responsible for any decent architecture you might have done in your career.   ;D

Jeff Doerr

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Re: Old Macdonald had a farm
« Reply #5 on: April 19, 2008, 08:38:02 PM »
Great stuff Michael.

I sent you an email note.
"And so," (concluded the Oldest Member), "you see that golf can be of
the greatest practical assistance to a man in Life's struggle.”

Matthew Hunt

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Re: Old Macdonald had a farm
« Reply #6 on: April 20, 2008, 03:50:06 AM »
Really to keep in the proper sprit of things they should open it holding an amateur competition, but keep invalidating it and repeating it until Tom Doak wins ;D

Tom_Doak

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Re: Old Macdonald had a farm
« Reply #7 on: April 20, 2008, 07:52:19 AM »
Matthew:

I really like that suggestion, but I suspect Mr. Keiser would prefer to start making money without having to wait until I win a golf tournament!

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