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Daryl David

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Testing a bunker-Verizon just now??????
« on: April 19, 2008, 05:20:03 PM »
Ok, I know they changed the rule last week about raking a bunker if you hit from one into another.  (Remember Cink)  But what about this. On 16 at the Verizon, Aaron Baddeley just hit from the large fairway bunker on the left side.  His ball hit a tree and landed back in the same bunker although it was about a hundred yards ahead.  All the same bunker.  He smoothed his foot prints and the caddie raked before he hit the next shot from the same bunker.

Am I missing something?  I expected the TV guys to jump on it immediately, but all they mentioned was how the area is now a hazard and not waste area like years past. 

Here is the rule language.  It seems to only mention a separate similar bunker, not the same one.  Have at it rules mavens.

Rule 13-4a prohibits a player from testing the condition of the hazard in which his ball lies or a similar hazard. Yet Exception 3 to the Rule, which was introduced in 2008, allows a player to test the condition of one hazard after playing from that hazard into a similar hazard. Although Decision 13-4/0.5 lists smoothing a bunker with a rake, club or otherwise as an example of testing the condition of the hazard, the Etiquette Section of the Rules of Golf provides that "Before leaving a bunker, players should carefully fill up and smooth over all holes and footprints made by them and any nearby made by others."

It is not the intent of Rule 13-4a to prohibit players from practicing the proper etiquette of the game when more than one bunker is involved. Therefore, when the player’s ball lies in a bunker, it would not be a breach of the Rules if the player were to smooth the sand in another bunker, provided (a) the smoothing is for the purpose of tidying up the bunker, (b) the smoothing does not breach Rule 13-2 (Improving Lie, Area of Intended Stance or Swing, or Line of Play) with respect to his next stroke and (c) there is not a reasonable possibility that the smoothing could affect a subsequent stroke by the player.

If the player were to smooth sand in the bunker in which his ball lies prior to making his first stroke in that bunker, he would be in breach of Rule 13-4a.
« Last Edit: April 19, 2008, 05:28:05 PM by Daryl David »

Pete_Pittock

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Re: Testing a bunker-
« Reply #1 on: April 19, 2008, 05:32:26 PM »
Daryl,
Read Exception 2 to Rule 13-4.


After making the stroke, if the ball is still in the hazard or has been lifted from the hazard and may be dropped or placed in the hazard, the player may smooth sand or soil in the hazard, provided nothing is done to breach Rule 13-2 with respect to his next stroke. If the ball is outside the hazard after the stroke, the player may smooth sand or soil in the hazard without restriction.

He would be penalized if he subsequently grounded his club

Reef Wilson

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Re: Testing a bunker-Verizon just now??????
« Reply #2 on: April 19, 2008, 06:00:51 PM »
I believe that is considered a waste area and not a bunker, though perhaps that has changed. In past years they have actually shown guys clearing out pebbles behind their ball in the waste area on the 16th. I think there are a couple of other areas like this on that course.
Reef

Reef Wilson

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Re: Testing a bunker-Verizon just now??????
« Reply #3 on: April 19, 2008, 06:07:28 PM »
actually, this waste area and the removing of impediments from it was a bit controversial and, coincidentally, it also involved Cink. So I used the google.

link here
http://sports.espn.go.com/golf/news/story?id=1791623

Pete_Pittock

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Re: Testing a bunker-Verizon just now??????
« Reply #4 on: April 19, 2008, 07:08:24 PM »
Reef,
It used to be a waste area. It is now a bunker.

Daryl David

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Re: Testing a bunker-
« Reply #5 on: April 19, 2008, 07:13:22 PM »
Daryl,
Read Exception 2 to Rule 13-4.


After making the stroke, if the ball is still in the hazard or has been lifted from the hazard and may be dropped or placed in the hazard, the player may smooth sand or soil in the hazard, provided nothing is done to breach Rule 13-2 with respect to his next stroke. If the ball is outside the hazard after the stroke, the player may smooth sand or soil in the hazard without restriction.

He would be penalized if he subsequently grounded his club

So if I understand the exception it means if you take a shot in a bunker and it stays in the bunker, you can smooth the sand with your feet and rake the area you just hit from before hitting your next shot from the same bunker.    Makes sense.

Chuck Brown

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Re: Testing a bunker-Verizon just now??????
« Reply #6 on: April 19, 2008, 08:13:53 PM »
Yes, the initial misunderstanding about which this thread started is a common misconception following the Cink incident, but it wouldn't be if more people had witnessed the Cink incident, instead of just hearing about it.

To recall:  Cink did NOT hit it in the fairway bunker to start with.  Cink hit his ball next to the bunker.  He took a stance with his feet in the bunker, but the ball was not in it.  Because Cink's ball was not in the bunker, he did not get the benefit of Exception 2 as noted above.   Cink's caddy's raking a bunker, without benefit of Exception 2, was what got them into trouble.  Raking Cink's footprints constituted "testing" before the recent re-interpretation hustled out in the USGA Press Release.  (I won't defend the rule; I only wish to explain it.)  

Neither Cink, nor any other golfer, has ever suffered a penalty for hitting a ball into a fairway bunker, hitting from that bunker into another one, and then raking  before going to play a ball from the second bunker.
« Last Edit: April 19, 2008, 08:17:22 PM by Chuck Brown »

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