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Dan Herrmann

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I was having an opportunity to walk a leisurely 9 holes after work yesterday in perfect weather when I started thinking about the 2nd hole at my club, Hanse's French Creek. 

It's a beautiful downhill slight dogleg right - probably the best hole on the course.  It's a long hole with two huge fairway bunkers that take up 2/3 of the fairway about 110 yards from the green. 

But just before the very wide but fairly narrow depth green is a large swale.  It's probably 10 - 15 feet deep and about 25 yards wide from front to back.  It occupies 80% of the 40 yard wide fairway.  This swale does not carry water - it's all closely mown fairway.   

Here's a picture from a long way away, and the swale is just past the bunkers


To me, it's genius.  It effectively captures anything hit short and plays almost like a "half hazard".  The shot to the green from the swale requires imagination and skill with the wedge.    It takes what would be a routine approach shot and makes it quite dramatic.

Pacific Dunes #16 is another fine example fine hole with a strategic swale.

Is the swale an underused feature these days?  Think about courses you play, and think of a place where a similar swale may have added to the hole's quality.
« Last Edit: April 17, 2008, 08:58:50 AM by Dan Herrmann »

Jeff_Brauer

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Re: Is the swale an underused feature in GCA?
« Reply #1 on: April 17, 2008, 08:42:47 AM »
I think its underused, and at one time, I underused it in the name of visibility of hazards!  But you can make a challenging, strategic fw without a single fw bunker, if contoured properly with swales, small bumps, etc.

I always loved the swale in the 13th(?) at Pasa.
Jeff Brauer, ASGCA Director of Outreach

James Boon

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Re: Is the swale (a.k.a. 'hollow') an underused feature in GCA?
« Reply #2 on: April 17, 2008, 09:07:36 AM »
The Valley of Sin on 18 at St Andrews Old Course seems a pretty good example of a swale on and I can think of other old links courses which have similar but can't say I've seen it used much on modern courses?

It would surely make a great feature / hazard on courses that have to be built to a budget and want to keep maintenance costs to a minimum?

James
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Chip Gaskins

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Re: Is the swale (a.k.a. 'hollow') an underused feature in GCA?
« Reply #3 on: April 17, 2008, 09:43:22 AM »
if i remember correctly there is a big swale in the #8 fairway at East Lake (which happens to be my favorite hole on a fairly mediocre course)

Mike Bowline

Re: Is the swale (a.k.a. 'hollow') an underused feature in GCA?
« Reply #4 on: April 17, 2008, 09:46:22 AM »
A swale located just in front of a green actually encourages the ground game because of the time-honored knowledge of hitting into a swale: if you hit the ball a shorter distance than you intended, the downhill side of the swale kicks the ball forward, and if you hit longer then intended, the uphill side of the swale slows the ball.

Of course, this principle does not apply as well with the swale at French Creek #2 due to its great depth.

I love Jeff's comment about creating a strategic fairway without bunkers, just by creating lots of up and down.

Dan Herrmann

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Re: Is the swale (a.k.a. 'hollow') an underused feature in GCA?
« Reply #5 on: April 17, 2008, 10:39:28 AM »
Mike/Jeff - Stanley Thompson accomplished such a fariway at Highlands Links #16:


Paul Stephenson

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Re: Is the swale (a.k.a. 'hollow') an underused feature in GCA?
« Reply #6 on: April 24, 2008, 09:21:03 PM »
Take a look at The Boat of Garten Golf Club video via the "Videos" thread.

Although probably too severe to be called a swale it did remind me of this thread.

David_Tepper

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Re: Is the swale (a.k.a. 'hollow') an underused feature in GCA?
« Reply #7 on: April 24, 2008, 10:54:55 PM »
Dan Herrman -

Is the swale on this hole at French Creek maintained firm enough so that you can run the ball thru the swale and on the the green? Sometimes that is the best (and only logical way) to attack a front pin position.

There is a great swale in front of the 18th green at Royal Dornoch.

DT

cary lichtenstein

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Re: Is the swale (a.k.a. 'hollow') an underused feature in GCA?
« Reply #8 on: April 25, 2008, 12:57:12 AM »
Mike/Jeff - Stanley Thompson accomplished such a fariway at Highlands Links #16:



Looking at the picture of Highland Links brings back fond memories. I think its the best course in Canada and lots of people never heard of it and its public, easy access, a little difficult toget to, but not for the east course guys, I say it is a must play, in my top 25 easily.

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Sean_A

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Re: Is the swale (a.k.a. 'hollow') an underused feature in GCA?
« Reply #9 on: April 25, 2008, 03:56:32 AM »
I have no doubt what so ever that swales and knobs are under used in architecture.  Perhaps drainage and ball collection areas (loads of divots - difficult to maintain) have something to do with  this feature not being used nearly to the degree it should be.

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Dan Herrmann

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Re: Is the swale (a.k.a. 'hollow') an underused feature in GCA?
« Reply #10 on: April 25, 2008, 08:25:08 AM »
But they sure need to be maintained properly.  A swale/hollow with improper drainage becomes nothing more than a glorified closely mown swamp.

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