[Bob_Huntley]

I am not sure if this should be in "the Golfers Snob" thread or not.

I hate seeing cigar and cigarette butts anywhere on the course but finding them in bunkers really sets me ranting.

My question, how do you pick the damn things up?

Bob

[Jeff_Mingay]

Bob,

Speaking of cigarette butts and sand, I'm pretty sure you CAN'T smoke on the golf course at Pine Valley.

[Mark Smolens]

Of all the things that I have seen on this discussion group, nothing has made me want to play Pine Valley more than this!  I am so sick of playing behind slobs who think that because a cigarette butt is small, they're entitled to discard them wherever they please.

[Bob_Huntley]

Bob,

Speaking of cigarette butts and sand, I'm pretty sure you CAN'T smoke on the golf course at Pine Valley.

Jeff,

I think it was Mr. Ransome that issued that edict. Being from California I was surprised to see that although it was banned in the open, the dining room looked like Pittsburg  in the days of Carnegie,

Bob

[PThomas]

i think it was a Hartefield National that i saw i sign that said "no littering on the course -- and cigarette butts are litter"!

[Dean Paolucci]

.....I was surprised to see that although it was banned in the open, the dining room looked like Pittsburg in the days of Carnegie.

Bob

Bob,

I concur that smoking is not permitted on the course however, I believe the only place smoking of any kind is permitted is in the bar not the dining room.

DEAN

[Steve Burrows]

I have never seen more cigar butts on the grounds of a golf course than at Riviera. 

[JSlonis]

With the new smoking laws in NJ that went into effect last year, I don't think there is any smoking now allowed within the clubhouse at all.

[jeffwarne]

True story.
Cigarette butts are a pet peeve of mine anywhere, particularly on the golf course.

We had a female member who consistently had a negative opinion about multiple subjects.
She was one who ,shall we say, kept the members informed on what was going on at and around the course
She was also a smoker.
 Once when politely attempting to keep her group moving at a reasonable pace, I observed her discarding a butt on a fairway. (her caddie shared that he went behind her and picked them up whenever possible)

I asked him to save them.
Later that day I placed the offending cigarettes (in a cup) and left them on the front seat of her convertible.

Her caddie reports his job has gotten considerably less demanding.

[Dan Herrmann]

Amazingly, many smokers think their butts are biodegradable. 

[wsmorrison]

I can't stand the smell of cigars, so I generally won't walk anywhere near someone smoking a cigar.  It is disgusting to see cigar stubbs and cigarette butts around a golf course.  But hey, I'm all for courtesies.  If someone wants to smoke, when they are done simply do everyone a favor and eat the cigar stub or the cigarette butt. 

By the way, does anyone else think it is tacky to leave the cigar band on while smoking?  It must be an ego thing.  It is proper to take the band off.  Don't give me that line about ruining the wrapper.  By the way, it smells like sh*t no matter what, so it doesn't matter if you leave a wrapper on to show us how much you spent for the damn thing! 

[TEPaul]

JamieS:

A friend of mine used to constantly kid Pine Valley (while there) that they were the only club he was aware of that did not allow smoking outside but did allow it in the clubhouse.

Now the state of New Jersey has taken care of that.  I feel like a lost soul now because the only place I seem to be able to smoke down there now is on that porch next to the parking lot. But if I absolutely have to have one on the course, believe me, I'm like a Recon Marine----eg absolutely noone will ever see me smoke it and there will be absolutely no remains of it left that anyone could ever detect (the enemy must never know the Recon Marine was there), and if anyone found either me smoking down there or the remains of my cigarrette, of course I would be forced to kill them immediately.

Other than that, I think all you healthy goodie-two-shoes who are completely turned off by cigar or cigarrette smoking and smokers are a bunch of modern day whimps. Give me a whole world of Winston Churchills any day! 

[ANTHONYPIOPPI]

I think if I owned a golf course there would be two signs hanging above the cash register:

                                         We Don't Need Your Money

                                      The World is Not Your Ashtray

[jeffwarne]

I think if I owned a golf course there would be two signs hanging above the cash register:

                                         We Don't Need Your Money

                                      The World is Not Your Ashtray

Wow,
a free golf course.
probably be just 9 holes though

[Jerry Kluger]

How about sunflower seeds - I've seem them everywhere including greens at some courses.

[Bob_Huntley]

JamieS:

A friend of mine used to constantly kid Pine Valley (while there) that they were the only club he was aware of that did not allow smoking outside but did allow it in the clubhouse.

Now the state of New Jersey has taken care of that.  I feel like a lost soul now because the only place I seem to be able to smoke down there now is on that porch next to the parking lot. But if I absolutely have to have one on the course, believe me, I'm like a Recon Marine----eg absolutely noone will ever see me smoke it and there will be absolutely no remains of it left that anyone could ever detect (the enemy must never know the Recon Marine was there), and if anyone found either me smoking down there or the remains of my cigarrette, of course I would be forced to kill them immediately.

Other than that, I think all you healthy goodie-two-shoes who are completely turned off by cigar or cigarrette smoking and smokers are a bunch of modern day whimps. Give me a whole world of Winston Churchills any day! 

Tom,

More guerillas/freedom fighters/terrers have died in jungle and bush conflicts than you can imagine,  because they just had to have a puff. I can smell the sulfer burn of a match and cigarette smoke from several hundred yards a way.

Bob

[Dan Herrmann]

How about sunflower seeds - I've seem them everywhere including greens at some courses.

Jerry - at least those will biodegrade.

I spent my 14th and 15th summers working at a Dairy Queen picking up butts in the parking lot.  It was a nasty task in my otherwise fun job.  Believe me, those butts just don't go away by themselves.

[Matthew Hunt]

How about sunflower seeds - I've seem them everywhere including greens at some courses.

Jerry - at least those will biodegrade.

I spent my 14th and 15th summers working at a Dairy Queen picking up butts in the parking lot.  It was a nasty task in my otherwise fun job.  Believe me, those butts just don't go away by themselves.

I was picking them up at the Walker Cup . Before moving on to the beter job of bunker-raking

[Mike_Cirba]

I believe it was the late Charles Price who lamented 20 or so years ago that there should be a two-stroke penalty for anyone leaving a cigarette or cigar butt on the golf course;  with a sand wedge to the forehead!   

And it was Ernie Ransome who outlawed smoking at Pine Valley during one particularly dry season, as he believed his primary job was to protect the golf course...which was highly flammable.

[Lou_Duran]

"I hate seeing cigar and cigarette butts anywhere on the course but finding them in bunkers really sets me ranting.

"My question, how do you pick the damn things up?"

Bob (Huntley)

Well, bending over and picking them up comes to mind.  I've done that numerous times as well as swept off all sorts of seed or nut shells from the greens.

Many years ago, we had finished our round and were having lunch at Walnut Creek CC in Mansfield, TX when we heard the sirens.  We looked out to see a raging fire on the then 7th fairway.  It had been a dry winter and the dormant common bermuda straw was set on fire by a discarded cigarette.

I don't mind second hand smoke in open places (not in my residence and not in cars).  The improperly discarded remnants do bother me very much.  I once pointed out to a good friend of mine his bad habit (of flicking his cigarette butts to the ground).  He apologized and stated that it is so ingrained so as to be largely unconscious.  He's tried to quit smoking several times without success, but his disposal habits seem to've gotten better.  Funny. I once cautioned him about his slow play and his reaction was not nearly as positive.     

[Kalen Braley]

[Sean_A]

Hard crowd.  I measure the speed of rounds in number of cigars smoked - I hate playing in the rain.  I spose the time is coming when smoking a cigar will not be allowed on any course.  I can't say as I am against the idea, but golf will be a little bit less pleasurable regardless.

Wayne - as I always smoke outside and nearly 100% on courses, I never take off the band until I get to the end - for disposal purposes.  The paper isn't really biodegradeable, but the cigar is.  I don't carry a device in my bag to cut the band off and I wouldn't dream of trying to slide the thing off until I was finished.  I don't see the point in risking the wrapper. 

Ciao

[David Lott]

Hey, back in the day, the little burn marks on the green could be used to line up your putt. On a windless day, even the ashes could help.

I remember my father instructing, once he had given up on stopping my smoking, that the unsmoked butt should be shredded, well off the green of course, the tobacco sprinkled widely and the paper wadded tightly and put in the pocket. He instructed by example, of course.

I have not smoked in 37 years, but still associate the smell of tobacco with that of cut grass.

[Bob_Huntley]

"I hate seeing cigar and cigarette butts anywhere on the course but finding them in bunkers really sets me ranting.

"My question, how do you pick the damn things up?"

Bob (Huntley)

Well, bending over and picking them up comes to mind.  I've done that numerous times as well as swept off all sorts of seed or nut shells from the greens.

Lou,

Rather you than me. I am rather like Gen. Ripper in Dr. Strangelove, most reluctant to touch a smokers discarded bodily fluids which are all over the butt.


Bob

[Lou_Duran]

Bob,

I fully understand.  Perhaps I value a cleaner environment more than fear contracting a disease.  BTW, in this, the land of the good, smart, beautiful and environmentally conscious, it is amazing how much other people's dog excrement I pick-up when I walk my Brittany.  People pissing in the river upstream must be an immutable human characteristic. 

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