[Bryan Izatt]

Came across this one in a Google aerial and was struck by the visibility of the movement of the land even from space.  And, the bunker in the green.  Can you name the course and architect.  Bonus points for the hole name too.  Aerial and ground level pictures follow.  A very odd looking hole.

[Bill_McBride]

No idea what hole or course, but one thing that strikes me is the difference between this and #6 at Riviera.  On the latter hole, it appears you can putt around the bunker using the slopes designed into the green by Thomas.  On the hole you've shown, the green looks pretty flat so you could be stymied by the bunker.

Riviera's bunker-in-the-green therefore looks a lot more appealing, just looking at the photos of course!

[Sam Morrow]

I don't care for that, the way the green looks to slope towards the bunker is way to putt-putt for my taste.

[Jeremy Rivando]

I'm really not sure but I'll go with Desmond Muirhead.

[John Kirk]

There are some tough pin positions there.

Hole name "The Pendant"

[Kyle Henderson]

I'm really not sure but I'll go with Desmond Muirhead.

I had the same thought. Definitely a "Muirheadian" look.

[Bryan Izatt]

Nope, not Desmond Muirhead.  Nor is it named Teardrop.  A similarly silly name though.  According to the web site the green does indeed slope to the bunker.  Perhaps enough to sling putts around the bunker.  Maybe it is modelled after Riviera #6.

I can't believe that someone doesn't know it.  Someone on here always knows these obscure holes and courses and architects.

Here's another hole on the course - maybe modeled on 18 at ANGC.  Gotta love that chute of trees off the tee.  But the bunkers are bizarro.

[Jonathan Cummings]

Bloody Point - Weizkopf, #18

JC

[Art Roselle]

It is named Skillet with Egg and was designed by John Daly while on one of his benders.

[Bryan Izatt]

Nope, nope and nope.  Think east, far, far east.  The name of the hole is actually "Dimple".  Apropos, I think.  Although Skillet and Teardrop would work as well.

[Eddie Adams]

8th Hole at Tomson in Shanghai
Shunsuke Kato

[ANTHONYPIOPPI]

Isn't Mr. Adams smart? He answered this one correctly. Let's give him a little gold star and a pat on the head.

http://www.tomson-golf.com/course1E.html

Anthony

[Bryan Izatt]

Eddie,

I knew there had to be someone out there who knew this course.  Do you know if the Golf Channel will be covering the Asian Open there in April.  I'd be curious to see more of the course on TV.  Is it as strange looking/playing as it appears in the aerials?

I assume Mr. Pioppi is a friend  and fan of yours.

[Eddie Adams]

I have been to Tomson several times and will there again early March for a visit and then for the BMW Asian Open, Its one of my favourite venues and the course is always in good shape.
They are undergoing some changes to the course set up/design and I will get back to you with an update after my next visit.
Tony and I met in 2000 when I was the Headgreenkeeper of the Old Course at St Andrews and we have continued to keep in touch since then, although he always reverses the charges on his telephone calls

[ANTHONYPIOPPI]

Bryan:

A friend of Eddie's? I'd rather not comment
A fan of Eddie's? My attorney would rather I not comment.
His version of who pays for my phone calls to him is, well, a hallucination at best.

Anthony

[Eddie Adams]

Bryan,

 I know Sky cover it in the UK etc  and I am nearly positive you will get it on the other side of the pond, always has a good field and Shanghai is a great place to visit, one of my top 3 cities.

Eddie

[Ian Larson]

Am I the only person on here that thinks this is completely awful?.........very putt-putt.

[ANTHONYPIOPPI]

Eddie:

Shanghai is in your top 3 cities? So what, you've only been to four.

Anthony

[John Kirk]

Am I the only person on here that thinks this is completely awful?.........very putt-putt.

It looks very contrived, obvious that the mounding on the left is unnatural.  The main thing I don't like is the difficulty for the novice golfer.  If you're going to have a longer par 3 on flat terrain, you might as well build it so the novice who can't get the ball airborne has a chance to run it onto the green, at least the right half.  It doesn't make the hole more difficlut for the better player, who will fly it up there every time, unless there is a lot of wind, when he might have a go at running it up there, which makes the hole more versatile as well.

"The Skillet"...great one, Art.

[Bryan Izatt]

Eddie,

Notwithstanding the satirical wittiness of Tony's sarcasm, I'm with you on Shanghai, a real happening city with astounding architecture in Pudong (new skyscraper buildings that is).

Why is Thomson one of your favourite venues?  Is that from a greenskeeping perspective?  The holes look really odd from an aerial perspective.  Do they really present better from ground level and from a playing perspective?  For instance the dogleg par 4 I pictured above looks like a terribly clausterphobic tee shot and the bunkering after the dogleg looks like an Rorshach ink blot test.  Do those bunkers look less chaotic from ground level? 

[Sean_A]

Came across this one in a Google aerial and was struck by the visibility of the movement of the land even from space.  And, the bunker in the green.  Can you name the course and architect.  Bonus points for the hole name too.  Aerial and ground level pictures follow.  A very odd looking hole.

Part of the problem with a bunker slapped into a green like this is that there can be no obvious face to the bunker because the recovery shot can be in any direction.  This helps create a sterile look which isn't very attractive.  Its certainly not bag, but I think this idea could work if a better job was done.

Ciao

[Bryan Izatt]

Sean,

Agree.  How about a sod wall bunker of 3 or 4 foot depth.  I like the way the green feeds into the bunker, thereby increasing its effective size.  But as it is, it looks like a no-brainer recovery.

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