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David Stamm

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Guess where and the arch.
« on: February 04, 2008, 07:33:50 PM »
Okay guys. It's a toughie. This photo is from 1927. Enjoy.


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Chip Gaskins

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Re:Guess where and the arch.
« Reply #1 on: February 04, 2008, 07:54:02 PM »
Northern California, Mackenzie (maybe one of the Sacramento courses, but the hills might be too big)
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David Stamm

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Re:Guess where and the arch.
« Reply #2 on: February 04, 2008, 07:56:10 PM »
Quote from: Chip Gaskins on February 04, 2008, 07:54:02 PM
Northern California, Mackenzie (maybe one of the Sacramento courses, but the hills might be too big)


Good guess, Chip, but incorrect on both counts. You are in the right State. A clue soon.......
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David Stamm

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Re:Guess where and the arch.
« Reply #3 on: February 04, 2008, 08:23:44 PM »
The course is a pearl of the west............
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Bill_McBride

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Re:Guess where and the arch.
« Reply #4 on: February 04, 2008, 08:27:21 PM »
Quote from: David Stamm on February 04, 2008, 08:23:44 PM
The course is a pearl of the west............

MacKenzie's famed "Links of Oyster Bay"?
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Kyle Harris

Re:Guess where and the arch.
« Reply #5 on: February 04, 2008, 08:30:07 PM »
Thomas.... Riviera?
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David Stamm

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Re:Guess where and the arch.
« Reply #6 on: February 04, 2008, 08:33:18 PM »
Quote from: Kyle Harris on February 04, 2008, 08:30:07 PM
Thomas.... Riviera?


Another great guess. The site does look somewhat similiar, but no. You are on the right track though.......
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Jeff Doerr

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Re:Guess where and the arch.
« Reply #7 on: February 04, 2008, 08:36:38 PM »
I'm guessing SoCal by the hills, maybe south towards San Diego.
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David Stamm

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Re:Guess where and the arch.
« Reply #8 on: February 04, 2008, 08:37:55 PM »
Quote from: Jeff Doerr on February 04, 2008, 08:36:38 PM
I'm guessing SoCal by the hills, maybe south towards San Diego.

Jeff is heading the right direction......
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John Foley

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Re:Guess where and the arch.
« Reply #9 on: February 04, 2008, 08:42:56 PM »
Is this lake Norconian?
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David Stamm

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Re:Guess where and the arch.
« Reply #10 on: February 04, 2008, 08:47:27 PM »
Quote from: john_foley on February 04, 2008, 08:42:56 PM
Is this lake Norconian?

John, another good guess, but the bunkers are not John Duncan Dunn's style. Again, the site IS somewhat similiar. I like your thinking though!
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David Stamm

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Re:Guess where and the arch.
« Reply #11 on: February 04, 2008, 08:54:11 PM »
This place was known for being a home to a 2-time PGA Championship winner.......  Ring a bell?
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Sam Morrow

Re:Guess where and the arch.
« Reply #12 on: February 04, 2008, 09:01:00 PM »
I don't know the course but is it Dave Stockton's home?
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Allan Long

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Re:Guess where and the arch.
« Reply #13 on: February 04, 2008, 09:05:41 PM »
I thought of Stockton also. But, I thought Stockton was from Redlands and MacKenzie did a remodel at Redlands CC and David said no on MacKenzie.

Billy Bell, Sr. / Red Hill?
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Sam Morrow

Re:Guess where and the arch.
« Reply #14 on: February 04, 2008, 09:09:23 PM »
Quote from: Allan Long on February 04, 2008, 09:05:41 PM
I thought of Stockton also. But, I thought Stockton was from Redlands and MacKenzie did a remodel at Redlands CC and David said no on MacKenzie.

Billy Bell, Sr. / Red Hill?

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Matt_Cohn

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Re:Guess where and the arch.
« Reply #15 on: February 04, 2008, 09:12:34 PM »
Is it more of a jewel than a pearl possibly? I think I got it. A two time PGA winner made his home there, but a two time Masters winner has the course record. Right?
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TEPaul

Re:Guess where and the arch.
« Reply #16 on: February 04, 2008, 09:37:23 PM »
My eyes aren't that great and he's a little far away but one of the three people standing in the foreground looks like Maxie Behr to me.
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Tom Renli

Re:Guess where and the arch.
« Reply #17 on: February 04, 2008, 10:15:11 PM »
Annadale in Pasadena
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Ryan Farrow

Re:Guess where and the arch.
« Reply #18 on: February 04, 2008, 10:39:50 PM »
It would be a dead ringer for Riviera if it wasn't for for those hills that don't quite match up. I'm still going to go with Thomas, those are his or Bells bunkers. I think. Maybe.

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mark chalfant

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Re:Guess where and the arch.
« Reply #19 on: February 04, 2008, 11:26:40 PM »
Lake Elsinore,  south of Corona ?
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David Stamm

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Re:Guess where and the arch.
« Reply #20 on: February 04, 2008, 11:37:38 PM »
Quote from: Matt_Cohn on February 04, 2008, 09:12:34 PM
Is it more of a jewel than a pearl possibly? I think I got it. A two time PGA winner made his home there, but a two time Masters winner has the course record. Right?

Matt is red hot here! Ryan is correct with his assesment of the bunkers. Mark, Elsinore is NLE.
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David Stamm

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Re:Guess where and the arch.
« Reply #21 on: February 04, 2008, 11:48:06 PM »
Quote from: Tom Renli on February 04, 2008, 10:15:11 PM
Annadale in Pasadena

Tom has the arch.
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Tom Jefferson

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Re:Guess where and the arch.
« Reply #22 on: February 05, 2008, 12:04:59 AM »
That's an amazing photo!!!

Of La Jolla Country Club...Billy Bell.

I believe that's the opening hole, a friendly par 4.  #2 is a pitch across a small barranca, just on the left of the photo.
Then #3 goes left, and we see in the distance, running parallel to the fill slopes, from l to r, the 4th.

Good golf course!!  I had the privelege of caddying for Littler, Rodgers, Paul Brown of the Cleveland Browns, and Paul Runyan, 2 time PGA champ, when I was in high school in the 60s.

A current photo would show a highly manicured, treed layout.

Tom

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Tom Jefferson

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Re:Guess where and the arch.
« Reply #23 on: February 05, 2008, 12:07:04 AM »
ps........Mount Soledad is in the distance.  
Today the entire hillside is expensive homes and a fully planted mediterrean landscape, overlooking the jewel of the southern california coast.
Tom
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TEPaul

Re:Guess where and the arch.
« Reply #24 on: February 05, 2008, 12:13:56 AM »
DavidS:

What I'm wondering, and I have for years (looking at courses like that photo above) is if that California contingent (who aren't that easy to identify but I think the likes of Behr, Hunter, Mackenzie, perhaps Hollins or even Bell and most certainly Thomas would have to be included) were onto something or perhaps even a few things really revolutionary in architecture around the last half of the 1920s.

I have an inkling of some of the things they were thinking about and thinking about "getting up to" and I don't think they were thinking about pushing the envelope, I think they were talking about blowing it to Kingdom Come!

Why they weren't able to truly develop it and pull it off I think is a real story.

Not to be mysterious, I'd be willing to explain what I mean in some specifics. It may be that some of the odd details in that photo above show it.

 
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