[Ryan Farrow]

Mr. Ames, I want to play on the PGA Tour, but the thing is, I'm a 15 handicap.

Question, would having some kind of certification such as a Landscape Architecture license clear out the Signature Course market?





-Thanks again to Geoff Shackelford for always finding the most humorous articles.

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[Joe Hancock]

Ryan,

I think I hear what you're saying, but I'm not sure.

Are you saying that because Ames has a good job playing golf that he should have no interest and aptitude towards building golf courses?

Or are you saying that someone such as yourself has more incentive involved in learning, or wanting to learn, about how to build golf courses than someone like Ames? And why would that be?

Or is it something else...maybe something more along the lines of a certain emotion that many of us feel when something good happens to someone other than ourselves when we believe ourselves to be more deserving of said goodness?

Joe

[TEPaul]

I want to learn to build golf courses too but I only want to provide the conceptual ideas. As for actually learning HOW to build the concepts why would I want to learn that when I can just lean on a guy like Joe Hancock to do that? And not just that but if people then hate something I can just blame it all on him.

[Joe Hancock]

I want to learn to build golf courses too but I only want to provide the conceptual ideas. As for actually learning HOW to build the concepts why would I want to learn that when I can just lean on a guy like Joe Hancock to do that? And not just that but if people then hate something I can just blame it all on him.

I don't have a teachers certificate.  

As far as heaping blame on me....why not? I'll just make sarcastic comments about the criticism and go about my merry way......

Joe

[TEPaul]

"I'll just make sarcastic comments about the criticism and go about my merry way......"


Good idea, Joe, but you know as I've gotten older and wiser and far more literate and articulate I'm not so fond of sarcastic comments anymore, but I am exploring the possibilities of sardonic comments and some other types of sor, sor, sooor, saaahhhooorrrr--aaah--TAH sar... comments.

[Ryan Farrow]

Joe, I'll take your first question and answer it with a story that my studio professor told our class.

We are working on a studio project in Panama this semester and in turn working with the President of Panama's cousin. He has always been interested in redeveloping the land around Panama City where the squatters have settled. He wants to clean up the area, build new housing, and still keep the same people living in these areas. So he went to school and got a degree in architecture. Then he realized, hey, I know nothing of how a city works, so he went back to school and got a planning degree. Then he realizes, wait, I don't know anything about the people who I am designing for, so goes out and gets a degree in anthropology. And only then does he have the tools he needs to accomplish his dream.



What does Stephen Ames have? A talent to play the game of golf.

[Joe Hancock]

Beautiful illustration, Ryan. Had the cousin come out and said he wanted to learn how to do something and then never learned anything, then you might take umbrage with his words. But he did what he needed to to tool up. Stephen Ames may very well be capable of tooling up.

Joe

[Tom_Doak]

Ryan:  If you want to learn to build courses, you go out and build courses with someone who knows how.  If you didn't learn that in Montana, you didn't learn squat.

A required certification in landscape architecture would certainly clear out the signature design market ... it would not only eliminate all the professionals but also Pete Dye, Bill Coore, and myself, among others.

Not criticizing you, though; Stephen Ames has yet to apply for our internship.

[Brett Hochstein]

"Ames said plans are to build a course that can stretch to 8,100 yards. Calgary's altitude, along with how far players are hitting the ball today, means that's not a ludicrous length."

Wrong.  That is ludicrous length regardless.

[JohnH]

What is ludicrous is a 204 yard 7-iron I saw on TV today...

[Ryan Farrow]

Ryan:  If you want to learn to build courses, you go out and build courses with someone who knows how.  If you didn't learn that in Montana, you didn't learn squat.

A required certification in landscape architecture would certainly clear out the signature design market ... it would not only eliminate all the professionals but also Pete Dye, Bill Coore, and myself, among others.

Not criticizing you, though; Stephen Ames has yet to apply for our internship.

Tom, I was quoting Ames there but I guess I am still learning how to build golf courses and plan on doing so indefinitely.

Not only am I saying, Ames has little to zero knowledge about design or construction of a golf course but I certainly don't think he has any experience in landscape design, ecology, hydrology, etc...

Hes a golfer, thats what he does. He should be smart enough to realize that he can't just wake up one day and decide he is a golf course designer or think that he can learn to become one in a few months.

[Michael Powers]

Omg, we have cracked the 8,000 yard mark.  I better hit the gym tomorrow.

[Kyle Harris]

Omg, we have cracked the 8,000 yard mark.  I better hit the gym tomorrow.

In that high up in the Rocky Mountains sort of way.

[Andy Troeger]

Not only am I saying, Ames has little to zero knowledge about design or construction of a golf course but I certainly don't think he has any experience in landscape design, ecology, hydrology, etc...

Ryan,
Do you know that for sure are you just speculating? I could see Ames knowing a fair amount about design and much less about construction, drainage, etc. Just curious, I wasn't sure how to read your comment.

[TaylorA]

Mr. Ames, I want to play on the PGA Tour, but the thing is, I'm a 15 handicap.

Question, would having some kind of certification such as a Landscape Architecture license clear out the Signature Course market?

Ryan, the other issues aside, I fail to see how this would "clear out the Signature Course market". Nearly every single person building/designing a golf course in the United States will have to have "underlings" (either on staff or were in some way involved in the project) who hold at least one, if not all, of the following licenses: Landscape Architecture, Professional Engineer and Registered Land Surveyor. Many of the pros are only added as a marketing gimmick - how would you exclude them from the marketing literature thereby "clearing out" the Signature Course market?

[Peter Zarlengo]

"Calgary's elevation is approximately 1,048 metres (3,440 ft) above sea level downtown, and 1,083 metres (3,553 ft) at the airport."

And I'm sure that there are many talent people behind the project, just as in many other signature course type of projects, so lets not write it off just yet.

[George Pazin]

I hope he does truly want to learn, but I'm not holding my breath that he applies for Tom D's internship program anytime soon. Maybe I can convince to apply when I do.

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