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Bill Brightly

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Re:Good bye 150 stakes, ball washers next?
« Reply #25 on: January 08, 2008, 02:03:15 PM »
Quote from: Walt C. What's next, all those pins and tee markers that clutter up the course?


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I wonder if Walt is a member at my club? No doubt I'm gonna here that line again on opening day...

Ah, you can't make an omelete without breaking a few eggs...

PS, we are going to leave the PVC sleeves in the ground, in case we have to beat a hasty retreat...or put the stakes out for outings...  ;)
« Last Edit: January 08, 2008, 02:03:26 PM by Bill Brightly »

Kalen Braley

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Re:Good bye 150 stakes, ball washers next?
« Reply #26 on: January 08, 2008, 02:14:05 PM »
Whats so offensive about 200, 150, and 100 yard plates?  Sure you don't have to have the red, white, and blue colored round metal ones.  They have plenty that look tasteful and non-intrusive.

If anything getting rid of these extra yardage markers will only encourage more frequent use of the bushnells and rangefinders....not that I really care.  But if the goal is to turn the club into a more old school experience, then this might backfire on ya.

Bill Brightly

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Re:Good bye 150 stakes, ball washers next?
« Reply #27 on: January 08, 2008, 02:25:47 PM »
We don't allow range finders...

Kalen,

We will have 3 rows of sprinkler heads spaced 21 yards apart, each showing three distances (front middle and back.)

Why would you want more cuts in the fairway ?

« Last Edit: January 08, 2008, 02:26:30 PM by Bill Brightly »

Kalen Braley

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Re:Good bye 150 stakes, ball washers next?
« Reply #28 on: January 08, 2008, 02:30:27 PM »
We don't allow range finders...

Kalen,

We will have 3 rows of sprinkler heads spaced 21 yards apart, each showing three distances (front middle and back.)

Why would you want more cuts in the fairway ?



Bill,

Sounds like you have your basis covered with dis-allowing range finders.

I'm not sure what you mean by additional cuts in the fairway?  Do you mean to frame the fairway markers and use an edger to make them look pretty?  :D

mike_beene

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Re:Good bye 150 stakes, ball washers next?
« Reply #29 on: January 08, 2008, 02:57:11 PM »
Take it all but never the tee benches,which are one of life's simple pleasures.Our in the ground trash cans are great.I wish someone would take our awful cart paths.some of you guys will complain if there is not a clothes dryer on each tee.

Anthony_Nysse

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Re:Good bye 150 stakes, ball washers next?
« Reply #30 on: January 08, 2008, 03:15:23 PM »
some of you guys will complain if there is not a clothes dryer on each tee.

The first great comment of 2008.....

Tony Nysse
Asst. Supt.
Colonial CC
Ft. Worth, TX
Anthony J. Nysse
Director of Golf Courses & Grounds
Apogee Club
Hobe Sound, FL

Bill Brightly

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Re:Good bye 150 stakes, ball washers next?
« Reply #31 on: January 08, 2008, 03:17:40 PM »
Yes, Kalen, I mean I'd rather have grass than plates in the middle of the fairway.

Mike, do you have a link to these "in ground" trash cans? I've never seen them before!

And I never thought about taking out the benches..Hmmm...when was the last time I used one???
« Last Edit: January 08, 2008, 03:19:15 PM by Bill Brightly »

Richard Boult

Re:Good bye 150 stakes, ball washers next?
« Reply #32 on: January 08, 2008, 04:08:12 PM »
my only negative experience with yardage plates was when I tried to cut a dogleg once and my drive landed right on the 100 yard marker and took one hop across the fairway into a river. Using Google Earth, I figured out it took a 270 yard carry to hit this marker and and land in the river 320 yards away. That was one big bounce. Regardless, I certainly don't consider them an eyesore or offensive (as a minimalist).

Ulrich Mayring

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Re:Good bye 150 stakes, ball washers next?
« Reply #33 on: January 09, 2008, 05:01:38 AM »
Yardages on sprinkler heads are one of the factors contributing to slow play and in my eyes should be avoided entirely. First it takes time to find them and pace them off to the ball position and then people are led to over-engineer their shot, when they see odd numbers such as 121/127/132. A 150 stake is a rough indicator and good enough for most everyone's game. But the sprinkler head numbers, especially if they come in three's, involuntarily make golfers try to take advantage of the pro-level granularity and they start to think about 121 vs. 127, factor in the wind, but they have to carry the bunker... it makes for some grandiose micro management and then they top the ball into the lake anyway.

The stakes are real time-savers and they should be at 150, 100 and especially 50 meters (not sure about yards). Often people over- or undershoot the green with a partial wedge from inside 100, because they thought 45, but it was more like 55 to the green. It's a great time-saver, if everyone hits it relatively close to the flag. So the 50 meters sign is very important (although it seems I am fairly alone with that opinion).

If the stakes are a maintenance problem (or an eyesore) they can easily be replaced by a stone, bush or small tree. If that is considered to be "not pure enough" then lose the yardages entirely. That would still play faster than having them on sprinkler heads only.

Ulrich
« Last Edit: January 09, 2008, 05:02:39 AM by Ulrich Mayring »
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Andy Troeger

Re:Good bye 150 stakes, ball washers next?
« Reply #34 on: January 09, 2008, 08:03:13 AM »
Bill,
Be sure to let us know the reactions you get. Personally I'm in the camp thinking those markers will be back out by June; there's a reason 90% of the courses in the country have the 100/150/200 plates (some have them at 25 yard intervals which is a bit of overkill). People like them!

Good luck!  ;D

Jerry Kluger

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Re:Good bye 150 stakes, ball washers next?
« Reply #35 on: January 09, 2008, 09:40:31 AM »
My home course has green plastic markers every 25 yards on either side of the fairway that are below fairway level.  You can't see them from the tee and they blend in with the fairway grass.  You see your ball up ahead and look for one of them as you approach it.
It really speeds up play and I have rarely seen a player go back or forwards to pace off their yardage.  

Kyle Henderson

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Re:Good bye 150 stakes, ball washers next?
« Reply #36 on: January 09, 2008, 12:29:53 PM »
Have ball washers that pop out of the ground, like the rakes at Pacific Grove. Or paint them to look like tree bark. ;)
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gookin

Re:Good bye 150 stakes, ball washers next?
« Reply #37 on: January 09, 2008, 12:51:27 PM »
Bill,

Several years ago we took out the 150 stakes for mostly maintenance reasons. We felt marked sprinkler heads and the new yardage finders would be more than enough. Well the uproar was so loud you would have thought we were chopping off members arms. We had fewer complaints about an assessment. Today the markers are alive and well, letting all players know when they are 150 yards away. Good luck.

Kirk Gill

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Re:Good bye 150 stakes, ball washers next?
« Reply #38 on: January 09, 2008, 01:01:14 PM »
The course I grew up playing had 150-yard stakes only, and I got used to that. I never thought they were an eyesore, but I guess I might not feel that way on a more beautiful course. I've never liked distances on sprinkler heads, just the whole bafangul of finding one, walking off yardages, it just seems too much of a hassle, and too specific for the level of game I play. It's like the difference between a watch with hands and a digital watch. I guess I'm a "quarter-til" guy, and not a "It's 10:47" type. To each their own.
« Last Edit: January 09, 2008, 03:13:31 PM by Kirk Gill »
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Patrick_Mucci

Re:Good bye 150 stakes, ball washers next?
« Reply #39 on: January 09, 2008, 09:43:03 PM »
Bill Brightly,

I think what you've done to date is great.

With respect to ball washers, they do have a purpose, and one per hole, in an unobtrusive area, shouldn't create a problem.

jeffwarne

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Re:Good bye 150 stakes, ball washers next?
« Reply #40 on: January 10, 2008, 12:34:10 AM »
This thread represents most of what's wrong with modern golf >:(

just tee it up and play
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Pat Brockwell

Re:Good bye 150 stakes, ball washers next?
« Reply #41 on: January 10, 2008, 06:54:39 PM »
I once worked at a club that had, over the tenure of several Greens Cmte. Chairmen, aquired at least 17 items on each tee box.  Markers, broken tee caddies, sand pots, wastebaskets and ball washers had to be moved, twice, to mow the tee.  That was with only blue, white and red markers.  Clean and simple, please.

Forrest Richardson

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Re:Good bye 150 stakes, ball washers next?
« Reply #42 on: January 12, 2008, 04:06:44 PM »
The cairn markers at St. Andrews have been there for several hundred years, so I hardly think the removal of markers is more than a trend — or is there more to it?
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