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Mike_Cirba

Into the mouth of the beast and back again - w/Review
« on: October 04, 2007, 04:33:17 PM »
In the past I've used somewhat eye-popping aerial pics of this course (which I'd never played) to make a larger point about the architect.



However, this coming Sunday I have a tee-time.

Yes, I will pony up to the clubhouse, pay my $100+ greens fee and give it my best architectural shot.  

If it's a pleasant surprise, I'll report that here.   If not, there'd be no point.
« Last Edit: October 12, 2007, 03:18:28 PM by MikeCirba »

wsmorrison

Re:Into the mouth of the beast
« Reply #1 on: October 04, 2007, 04:46:07 PM »
Say it ain't so  ???

Mike_Cirba

Re:Into the mouth of the beast
« Reply #2 on: October 04, 2007, 05:45:49 PM »
Say it ain't so  ???

Oh, itzso.  

I can't wait.

George Pazin

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Re:Into the mouth of the beast
« Reply #3 on: October 04, 2007, 05:49:19 PM »
The one thing I noticed watching the Walker Cup a few years ago was how different the eye level view was from the (hideous) overheads.
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Powell Arms

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Re:Into the mouth of the beast
« Reply #4 on: October 04, 2007, 07:56:33 PM »
The understated beauty of Bunker Hill.  Enjoy the trip to into the abiss.
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Michael Dugger

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Re:Into the mouth of the beast
« Reply #5 on: October 04, 2007, 08:39:01 PM »
why? ;)

What does it matter if the poor player can putt all the way from tee to green, provided that he has to zigzag so frequently that he takes six or seven putts to reach it?     --Alistair Mackenzie--

John Foley

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Re:Into the mouth of the beast
« Reply #6 on: October 04, 2007, 08:48:14 PM »
I will be very very surprised if you don't come back and and say you found something interesting there.

If my memory is accurite, as a whole it was not as bad as the offending picture.

Enjoy the sunshine.
Integrity in the moment of choice

Dave Bourgeois

Re:Into the mouth of the beast
« Reply #7 on: October 04, 2007, 08:50:02 PM »
Wow....

I don't know you except for reading posts here.  I have to know....are there any courses that you have had the opportunity to play but turned down?  

I am utterly impressed at the variety of courses you play, and your ability to keep an open mind.
« Last Edit: October 04, 2007, 08:50:30 PM by Dave Bourgeois »

Mike_Cirba

Re:Into the mouth of the beast
« Reply #8 on: October 04, 2007, 10:02:19 PM »
On the plus side, it can't be as bad as it looks from the air.

On the plus side, thanks for the nice words Dave, and I do try to keep an open mind and play a WIDE variety of course types from different architects and find I enjoy something about 98% of them, as John F. alluded.

On the plus side, I have an early tee time so the heat should not be too bad and it should give me a chance to really dig into the architectural meat.

On the other hand, I read the tone of Powell's note concerning the nickname of the pimply hazard (bunker hill) and it's almost as if he's sadistically salivating at my plight.  ;)  ;D
« Last Edit: October 04, 2007, 10:02:43 PM by MikeCirba »

Mike_Cirba

Re:Into the mouth of the beast
« Reply #9 on: October 04, 2007, 10:10:02 PM »
I don't know you except for reading posts here.  I have to know....are there any courses that you have had the opportunity to play but turned down?  


Dave,

Having grown up on crude, cheap, farmland nine-holers (the course I grew up on cost $35 for unlimited golf annual membership), and now being in a position with enough study and time and money invested to poke some fun at the excesses of a high-end public course of some repute, I can't think of a single course on the planet that I wouldn't play given the chance.

I'd also have fun, no matter what I might say once I put it through stringent critical assessment.  After all, it is still a game, despite how serious and passionate we all are.  

« Last Edit: October 05, 2007, 01:38:59 AM by MikeCirba »

Tommy_Naccarato

Re:Into the mouth of the beast
« Reply #10 on: October 05, 2007, 04:35:16 AM »
In the past I've used somewhat eye-popping aerial pics of this course (which I'd never played) to make a larger point about the architect.



However, this coming Sunday I have a tee-time.

Yes, I will pony up to the clubhouse, pay my $100+ greens fee and give it my best architectural shot.  

If it's a pleasant surprise, I'll report that here.   If not, there'd be no point.

And may God be with you my son.............

Take plenty of rope which to hang yourself with, or a can of gas and a match if it gets too bad. Meanwhile, I'll be praying for your soul.

Michael,
I think this might be Mike's annual trip to Myrtle Beach with some buddies which he has been doing every year since the beginning of time. (or since the beginning of the internet.) There has been some positive stuff that has come out of these trips, like for instance, Mike and Jeff Brauer developed a strong kinship (bonded) when he played one of Jeff's courses down there. Ever since that particular year, you'll hear Mike waving his Wild Wings squawking about how good the golf is and how he can't wait till next year......

Personally I think it's the night life why he goes down there. He's a wildman.

Mike_Cirba

Re:Into the mouth of the beast
« Reply #11 on: October 05, 2007, 07:45:40 AM »
Tommy,

This course is actually in Orlando.   It's been many a moon since I've seen the nightlights of Myrtle Beach, some might say unfortunately.  ;)  I used to take my dad down each year with a group of about 40-50 knuckleheads before his heart attack four years ago.  He used to refer to it as heaven and for a coal mining kid like him, it certainly was/is.

As far as Rees's Falcon's Fire, it's a business trip...flying out tomorrow.   The course of destiny just happens to be right next to my hotel.

The gods sometime just places little ironies right in our laps, and the best we can do is smile, accept our fate, and move forward.  ;D
« Last Edit: October 05, 2007, 07:55:07 AM by MikeCirba »

Doug Sobieski

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Re:Into the mouth of the beast
« Reply #12 on: October 05, 2007, 08:20:01 AM »
Mike:

The facility itself does a great job catering to its clientele. You shouldn't be disappointed. I spent plenty of time there in the early years after it opened, as I had several buddies of mine working there.

Once it opened, we took it upon ourselves to rename the holes. The names on the card didn't seem to fit. A couple of note....

- #3, a par three we called "Three Groups" since there always seemed to be, yes, three groups on the hole.
- #4, a par 5 known as "Never A Bogey" for obvious reasons. Play it with a blindfold on and you'll see why.
- #15, known as "Beverage Cart", since it was normally the first place we'd see it.
- #?, known as "Only Good One". See if you can figure out which one that is  ;D

Good luck!

Sobe
« Last Edit: October 05, 2007, 09:15:38 AM by Doug Sobieski »

Mike_Cirba

Re:Into the mouth of the beast
« Reply #13 on: October 05, 2007, 09:14:07 AM »
Mike:

The facility itself does a great job catering to its clientele. You shouldn't be disappointed. I spent plenty of time there in the early years after it opened, as I had several buddies of mine working there.

Once it opened, we took it upon ourselves to rename the holes. The names on the card didn't seem to fit. A couple of note....

- #3, a par three we called "Three Groups" since there always seemed to be, yes, three groups on the hole.
- #4, a par 5 known as "Never A Bogey" for obvious reasons. Play it with a blindfold on and you'll see why.
- #15, known as "Beverage Cart", since it was normally the first place we'd see it.
- #?, known as "Only Good One". See if you can figure out which one we called that  ;D

Good luck!

Sobe

Doug,

I think you included more "between the lines" on your post than you actually typed out!  ;)

Boy...now I'm really jazzed!!!  ;D

Of course, now as I play each of those holes I'll have your names in mind, so I've got that going for me.   :P ;)

Doug Sobieski

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Re:Into the mouth of the beast
« Reply #14 on: October 05, 2007, 09:18:34 AM »
Mike:

I just remembered another one! I think the name on the card is "Test of Courage", but we called it "Test of Wedge".


Michael Dugger

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Re:Into the mouth of the beast
« Reply #15 on: October 05, 2007, 11:28:24 AM »
And may God be with you my son.............

Take plenty of rope which to hang yourself with, or a can of gas and a match if it gets too bad. Meanwhile, I'll be praying for your soul.

Michael,
I think this might be Mike's annual trip to Myrtle Beach with some buddies which he has been doing every year since the beginning of time. (or since the beginning of the internet.) There has been some positive stuff that has come out of these trips, like for instance, Mike and Jeff Brauer developed a strong kinship (bonded) when he played one of Jeff's courses down there. Ever since that particular year, you'll hear Mike waving his Wild Wings squawking about how good the golf is and how he can't wait till next year......

Personally I think it's the night life why he goes down there. He's a wildman.

Tommy,

Lighting himself on fire probably will not get the job done, did you see how many lakes adorn the course?  Surely he could just pull a Woody Austin at any juncture.

What does it matter if the poor player can putt all the way from tee to green, provided that he has to zigzag so frequently that he takes six or seven putts to reach it?     --Alistair Mackenzie--

Mike_Cirba

Re:Into the mouth of the beast
« Reply #16 on: October 05, 2007, 11:34:16 AM »
Of course, if I do light myself on fire, I may not be able to reach the ponds in time as I'd obviously have to climb and cross the mounding lining each side of each fairway.

Or, I might fall into a circular bunker, but I don't know if there's enough sand in there to extinguish me.

Dan Kelly

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Re:Into the mouth of the beast
« Reply #17 on: October 05, 2007, 12:24:52 PM »
Am I the only one who can't identify this course?

What does that say about me?

What does that say about the rest of you?

Wait! Don't answer!
"There's no money in doing less." -- Joe Hancock, 11/25/2010
"Rankings are silly and subjective..." -- Tom Doak, 3/12/2016

Garland Bayley

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Re:Into the mouth of the beast
« Reply #18 on: October 05, 2007, 12:35:05 PM »
Am I the only one who can't identify this course?

What does that say about me?

What does that say about the rest of you?

Wait! Don't answer!

It means you can't read. Mike wrote "Rees' Falcon Fire".
"I enjoy a course where the challenges are contained WITHIN it, and recovery is part of the game  not a course where the challenge is to stay ON it." Jeff Warne

Dan Kelly

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Re:Into the mouth of the beast
« Reply #19 on: October 05, 2007, 12:39:22 PM »
Am I the only one who can't identify this course?

What does that say about me?

What does that say about the rest of you?

Wait! Don't answer!

It means you can't read. Mike wrote "Rees' Falcon Fire".


Silly me! I didn't read 11 posts about a course I didn't recognize!
"There's no money in doing less." -- Joe Hancock, 11/25/2010
"Rankings are silly and subjective..." -- Tom Doak, 3/12/2016

Tommy_Naccarato

Re:Into the mouth of the beast
« Reply #20 on: October 05, 2007, 12:50:12 PM »
Quote
This course is actually in Orlando.

Orlando....Myrtle Beach....Same thing.

Michael, that illustration of the course looks as if it's from the file: Help! My golf course has developed acne or some earthmover/bulldozer got a serious case of the drops.

Would you look at all of the Rees Pieces containment! Even in an illustration!

Mike, for the love of God, Please don't do this I beg of you.

Doug Sobieski

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Re:Into the mouth of the beast
« Reply #21 on: October 05, 2007, 12:58:01 PM »
If you plan to build containment on a course, this is the place to study it in detail. Some holes you will feel as if you are in a bobsled run. If you drive it as crookedly as I do, you'll have a couple blind shots from the wrong side of the wall.

Don't get me wrong, it's fun to play. You can make A LOT of birdies out there, just like any treeless Florida course.

Michael Dugger

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Re:Into the mouth of the beast
« Reply #22 on: October 05, 2007, 01:01:20 PM »
I was going to be careful here since I am attempting to be a new kinder and gentler Michael Dugger.

But in looking over their website I noticed two things which deserve pointing out.

1. They have about four bullet points referencing their "best of" status.  Problem is, the claim to fame is their shop!  I don't give a damn about how great your golf shop is!!!  Surely it isn't a Golfsmith, or Nevada Bobs, or Fiddler's Green or Golf Galaxy.  If that's the best you got going for you, you stink.

2. I counted 15 nearly perfectly round greens, if their maps are accurate at all.  This is one of my biggest beefs with Sandpines as well.  Perfectly round sponges.  How boring.  As Slag puts it, these are "Archer's Courses."    

What does it matter if the poor player can putt all the way from tee to green, provided that he has to zigzag so frequently that he takes six or seven putts to reach it?     --Alistair Mackenzie--

Mike_Cirba

Re:Into the mouth of the beast
« Reply #23 on: October 05, 2007, 01:31:29 PM »

Would you look at all of the Rees Pieces containment! Even in an illustration!

Mike, for the love of God, Please don't do this I beg of you.

Tommy,

If it doesn't kill me, it will make me stronger.  

Trust me on this one, old pal.

If I don't return, give my love to Jenna and tell all my friends that I died valiantly.

Gib_Papazian

Re:Into the mouth of the beast
« Reply #24 on: October 05, 2007, 01:38:33 PM »
Gentlemen,

Upbraiding one of our loyal Treehouse dwellers for wandering astray of sanctioned and approved golf courses misses the point.

You can learn as much from playing terrible courses as you can from great ones, just as no film director's education is complete without seeing both Citizen Kane and Heaven's Gate.

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