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Phil Benedict

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Is Seminole Big Enough for Tiger?
« on: September 18, 2007, 11:52:40 AM »
I had a conversation this weekend about where Tiger is going to play now that he lives on a small island.  Somebody mentioned that Seminole was close by, but I claimed it wasn't big enough for Tiger.  He'd get bored hitting irons all the time.

Are new 7500 yard courses the only ones that are appropriate for tour pros to play and practice on?  What other classic venues are too small for the best players in the world?  Pine Valley?  Cypress Point?

Anthony_Nysse

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Re:Is Seminole Big Enough for Tiger?
« Reply #1 on: September 18, 2007, 12:04:57 PM »
Macarthur Golf Club right up the road.

http://www.mcarthurgolf.com/

Fast, firm, LIGHTNING fast greens and a small membership. One of the Golf Channel's announcers commented that they greens were running in the 14.5-15 foot range the week prior to the masters...good tune up!

Tony Nysse
Sr. Asst. Supt.
Long Cove Club
HHI, SC
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Anthony J. Nysse
Director of Golf Courses & Grounds
Apogee Club
Hobe Sound, FL

Steve_ Shaffer

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Re:Is Seminole Big Enough for Tiger?
« Reply #2 on: September 18, 2007, 12:22:32 PM »
TW still lives in Isleworth in Orlando. His place in Jupiter Island is not ready yet. There was a thread here awhile ago about him buying McArthur but it was pure speculation.

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Joel_Stewart

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Re:Is Seminole Big Enough for Tiger?
« Reply #3 on: September 18, 2007, 12:24:09 PM »
I played there last year and Nick Price was playing in front of us so I think the intricate layout of Seminole would be OK for Tiger on a limited basis.  I do agree with Tony that Macarthur is probably his best bet with Medalist next door.  A few years ago I was at Medalist and Jesper Parnivick said he enjoyed playing at the Ritz Carlton as a change of pace?   Regardless there is no limit of courses.  I heard Jack Nicklaus offered him a membership at Bear Club, and other courses like Jupiter Hills are close by as well as dozens of other courses.

David Stamm

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Re:Is Seminole Big Enough for Tiger?
« Reply #4 on: September 18, 2007, 12:30:16 PM »
I seem to remember the last time Tiger played the AT&T, Clampett was mentioning that prior to the tourney that Tiger had played CPC with a member and had driven the green on 8, 9, 13, 17(?) and 18(?). I think that pretty much tells the story of whether the classics are a "test" for the best player in the world. I actually have that tourney on tape so I'll double check.
"The object of golf architecture is to give an intelligent purpose to the striking of a golf ball."- Max Behr

Jim Franklin

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Re:Is Seminole Big Enough for Tiger?
« Reply #5 on: September 18, 2007, 12:48:29 PM »
I actually have that tourney on tape ...

Has the Dork Scale thread slipped from page one yet?  ;D

Good stuff Shivas. ;D
Mr Hurricane

David Stamm

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Re:Is Seminole Big Enough for Tiger?
« Reply #6 on: September 18, 2007, 01:02:58 PM »
I actually have that tourney on tape ...

Has the Dork Scale thread slipped from page one yet?  ;D

Middle finger.... ;)
"The object of golf architecture is to give an intelligent purpose to the striking of a golf ball."- Max Behr

Doug Spets

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Re:Is Seminole Big Enough for Tiger?
« Reply #7 on: September 18, 2007, 04:18:49 PM »
I'd like to find something Frank Gleiber said about Tom Watson's pants during the 1977 Jackie Gleason Inverarry.  Any chance it's in the collection?


cary lichtenstein

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Re:Is Seminole Big Enough for Tiger?
« Reply #8 on: September 18, 2007, 04:36:24 PM »
My guess is that Tiger will play at either McArthur or the Bear Club, both are ultra private and get little play. McArthur is closer.

Rumors here in Jupiter that The Medalist, Norman's Club is for sale. I don't know if that is true, but I hear they do not have many members and their housing has not taken off.
Live Jupiter, Fl, was  4 handicap, played top 100 US, top 75 World. Great memories, no longer play, 4 back surgeries. I don't miss a lot of things about golf, life is simpler with out it. I miss my 60 degree wedge shots, don't miss nasty weather, icing, back spasms. Last course I played was Augusta

Phil Benedict

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Re:Is Seminole Big Enough for Tiger?
« Reply #9 on: September 18, 2007, 04:57:16 PM »
My guess is that Tiger will play at either McArthur or the Bear Club, both are ultra private and get little play. McArthur is closer.

Rumors here in Jupiter that The Medalist, Norman's Club is for sale. I don't know if that is true, but I hear they do not have many members and their housing has not taken off.

The Bear's Club is a non-starter.  Tiger says it wouldn't feel right belonging to Jack's club when he is trying to smash his records.

Patrick_Mucci

Re:Is Seminole Big Enough for Tiger?
« Reply #10 on: September 18, 2007, 08:06:42 PM »
Macarthur Golf Club right up the road.

http://www.mcarthurgolf.com/

Fast, firm, LIGHTNING fast greens and a small membership. One of the Golf Channel's announcers commented that they greens were running in the 14.5-15 foot range the week prior to the masters...good tune up!

Tony,

Do you believe that you can get Bermuda greens running at 14.5-15 around the end of March in South Florida, or do you think this was:

1.      An April Fool's joke ?
2.      An announcer who didn't know what he was talking
        about ?
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Mike_Young

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Re:Is Seminole Big Enough for Tiger?
« Reply #11 on: September 18, 2007, 09:16:48 PM »
Probably McArthur for now....BUT would you expect him to have his OWN design close by soon.....NO WAY at his level that you play someone elses course...would be worse than if JN was playing a Fazio with his the Bear near by.....
JMO
"just standing on a corner in Winslow Arizona"

jeffwarne

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Re:Is Seminole Big Enough for Tiger?
« Reply #12 on: September 18, 2007, 09:22:41 PM »
Patrick,
I heard they were running 19.....

and their cups were smaller...
or maybe their balls were just bigger
"Let's slow the damned greens down a bit, not take the character out of them." Tom Doak
"Take their focus off the grass and put it squarely on interesting golf." Don Mahaffey

cary lichtenstein

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Re:Is Seminole Big Enough for Tiger?
« Reply #13 on: September 18, 2007, 09:35:26 PM »
Probably McArthur for now....BUT would you expect him to have his OWN design close by soon.....NO WAY at his level that you play someone elses course...would be worse than if JN was playing a Fazio with his the Bear near by.....
JMO

The problem is there is just no land to build another course around here
Live Jupiter, Fl, was  4 handicap, played top 100 US, top 75 World. Great memories, no longer play, 4 back surgeries. I don't miss a lot of things about golf, life is simpler with out it. I miss my 60 degree wedge shots, don't miss nasty weather, icing, back spasms. Last course I played was Augusta

Mike_Young

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Re:Is Seminole Big Enough for Tiger?
« Reply #14 on: September 18, 2007, 10:20:11 PM »
Probably McArthur for now....BUT would you expect him to have his OWN design close by soon.....NO WAY at his level that you play someone elses course...would be worse than if JN was playing a Fazio with his the Bear near by.....
JMO

The problem is there is just no land to build another course around here
Oh yes there is......watch ;D
"just standing on a corner in Winslow Arizona"

Patrick_Mucci

Re:Is Seminole Big Enough for Tiger?
« Reply #15 on: September 19, 2007, 02:26:44 AM »
Patrick,
I heard they were running 19.....

and their cups were smaller...
or maybe their balls were just bigger

Jeff,

Truth be told, on windy day's they were running at 24.

Just to show you what nonsense this is, I'm going to try to post the article about green speeds and slope, which deals with balls that won't stop.
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GREEN SPEED PHYSICS
The laws of physics applied to golf course maintenance practices.
by ARTHUR R WEBER

GREEN SPEED PHYSICS
The laws of physics applied to golf course maintenance practices.
by ARTHUR R WEBER
MOST ALL putting greens are neither level nor plane,
some being more or less severely contoured and
sloped than others. Consequently, Stimpmeter
readings, taken over such dissimilar surface profiles, correlate
differently as a linear measure of green speed. That is to say,
green speed ratings, popularized as they have been by
averaging Stimpmeter measurements taken on reasonably
level greens, do not fairly and accurately serve as speed
indices common to all putting greens. Rather, by preparing
an "as built" green to Stimpmeter readings adjusted for its
inherent angularities, uniformity of speed can prevail from
green to green, stabilizing the composures of golfers and
green superintendents in the process.
By mathematically interpreting the physics fundamental to
a golf ball rolling over a putting green upon release from a
Stimpmeter, indices are derived, as angularity-consistent
measures of speed rating characteristic of "as-built" slow-tofast
greens. These indices are graphically plotted to facilitate
their use by golf course superintendents, golf committees,
tournament officials, and the like.
Modeling Golf Ball Roll
The coefficient of friction between a golf ball and the
putting green surface over which it rolls can be quantified by
using a Conservation of Energy model as the computational
basis for analysis. Stimpmeter measurements, supplemented
by green slope measurements over which the Stimpmeter
readings are made, are fundamental to the applicability of
such an analysis to all putting greens, no matter their
angularities or undulations, however severe.
When coefficient of friction values result from Stimpmeter
measurements either taken on or normalized to level greens,
the measurements range from a low of about 6 feet for what
are categorized to be slow greens to a high of about 12 feet
for fast greens. But therein lies a rub, because all greens
are not level; rather, they are architecturally contoured with
slopes, if not marginally, for drainage. Moreover, few putting
green slopes are unidirectional; most are compound contoured.
Notwithstanding, golf course putting green speeds
can be equalized and controlled, over the full range of slowto-
fast, by correlating Stimpmeter and putting green slope
readings to coefficient of friction values. Said another way,
using Stimpmeter measurements made on level greens as
numerical benchmarks to characterize slow-to-fast greens,
Stimpmeter readings can be indexed for all 18 golf course
greens, having first surveyed their angularities, to
comparatively measure up to a desired benchmark speed.
Coefficient of Friction
For the purpose of the analysis, the coefficient of friction
can be generalized to encompass, without distinction, the
static, dynamic, and rolling coefficients of friction that prevail
during the putt of a golf ball starting at rest and rolling to a
stop. It can be normalized to an all-inclusive parameter
because of its dependence on many variables. Among them,
the most influential of which would be the height of cut, are
the morphological and growing characteristics of the turfgrass
species, the turf density and uniformity, the thatch layer, the
dimpling pattern and the construction of the golf ball, the
season, the wetness, even the time of day.
Despite the influence of these variables and others, the
green speeds of "as built" undulating greens can, with
reasonable accuracy, be articulated and prepared analogous
to the benchmark green speed indices from Stimpmeter
measurements taken on level greens.
Level Putting Surfaces
The mathematical parameters and variables affecting the
energy conservation relationships, when making Stimpmeter
measurements on a reasonably level putting surface, are
depicted in Fig. 1, where:
W= weight of golf ball, 1.62 oz.
H = height of Stimpmeter notch above horizontal upon
golf ball release, in.
0 = angularity of Stimpmeter notch above horizontal
upon golf ball release, 20.5 deg.
L = Stimpmeter length, 36 in.
V,: = initial golf ball velocity across the putting surface
from the foot of the Stimpmeter, ft./sec.
V0 = final velocity of golf ball after rolling across the
putting surface to a stop, zero
S = Stimpmeter reading, ft.
f = coefficient of friction between rolling balls and the
putting surface, dimensionless
g = gravitational acceleration constant, 32.2 ft./sec.
Only S and f, as a function of S, are variable; the other
parameters, in addition to W, 0, L, and g, remain constant,
to wit:
H = Lsin0 (1)
= (36)(sin 20.5) = (36)(0.350) = 12.6 in.
and subsequently, the total Potential Energy, PE, stored in
the golf ball prior to release down the Stimpmeter is:
PE = WH (2)
= (1.62)(12.6)=20.4in.-oz.
Figure 1
.Golf Ball
L ^ Stimpmeter Putting Green
Vn
12 USGA GREEN SECTION RECORD



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Patrick_Mucci

Re:Is Seminole Big Enough for Tiger?
« Reply #16 on: September 19, 2007, 02:29:23 AM »
but only a part of which becomes vectorially carried
horizontally as an equivalent Kinetic Energy, KE, at velocity,
V1, or:
The Kinetic Energy is all dissipated by frictional resistance
as the golf ball rolls to a stop from V1 to Vo along the Stimpmeter
reading. Hence:
or
19.1 = 1.628f
and transposing the coefficient of friction as a function of the
Stimpmeter reading is signified by:
f = (19.1) 1 _ 0.9~3 (6)
12 (1.62S) S
Figure 2
f
0.197
0.164
0.116
0.089
0.079
S, feet
5.0
6.0
8.5
11.0
12.5
0.20
0.22
0.06
0.04
3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14
Stimpmeter Reading on Level Surface, 5, Feet
0.18
.~- 0.16
u J: 0.14
......
;: 0.12
I::
aJ
.~..... 0.10
aJ 8 0.08
These values can be plotted (see Fig. 2) to establish the
coefficient of friction, f, for all Stimpmeter readings, S, taken
on a reasonably level surface.
Typical calculated values deriving from Equ(6) are:
(5)
KE = PE cos 8 (3)
KE = W8f
= (20.4)(cos 20.5) = (20.4)(0.937) = 19.1 in.-oz.
the remaining potential energy 20.4 - 19.1 = 1.3 in.-oz. being
dissipated as the golf ball impacts vertically to the putting
surface from the foot of the Stimpmeter. However:
KE = ~~V12 (4)
or
19 1 1 1.62 V2 . = 2 (32.2 x 12) 1
V1 = \/(19.1) (2) (32.2) (12) = 95.5 in./sec.
1.62
Obtaining a realistic Stimpmeter reading on a green that is not level provides challenges to get a number that is representative of
the true surface conditions.
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Patrick_Mucci

Re:Is Seminole Big Enough for Tiger?
« Reply #17 on: September 19, 2007, 02:33:32 AM »
Accordingly, where S+ is the Stimpmeter reading taken
downhill, the total Potential Energy to be dissipated by
friction will be:
Figure 3
W~GolfBall
H' i 8 L.~ ~Stimpmeter Putt'lng Green
'-------.(.----v, m--m---------.-T<i>---.-I-s~----mm1 x
V~------
Downsloped Putting Surfaces
A similar analysis can be made for a downsloped putting
surface, as depicted in Fig. 3. As before, the Potential Energy
initially being carried vectorially by the golf ball, as it rolls
off from the base of the Stimpmeter, = WHcos8. However,
as the ball rolls down along the slope to its stopping point,
where Vo = 0, additional PE is acquired by the golf ball the
steeper the downslope angle 8, the value of which is:
= WX cos <I> (7)
From the afore-calculated values of the coefficient of
friction, f, over a range of slow to fast Stimpmeter readings
taken on a level putting surface, 5, the following equivalent
values of S ~ can be calculated from Equ. 11,based upon the
prevailing downslope angle.
s S~
f 0° r 2° 3° 4° 5° 6°
0.197 5.0 5.48 6.07 6.78 7.74 8.94 10.8
0.164 6.0 6.71 7.62 8.78 10.5 12.8 16.4
0.116 8.5 9.98 12.1 15.4 22.1 33.9 81.9
0.089 11.0 13.8 18.2 26.6 51.8 492 CXl
0.079 12.5 16.0 22.3 36.4 109 CXl CXl
Again, these calculated values can be plotted as a family
of curves representing the tabulated downslope angles and
interpolated in between to establish downhill Stimpmeter
readings and, therefore, putting green speeds comparable to
such readings and speeds on a level surface. See Fig. 4.
The calculated Stimpmeter reading becomes infinite, 00,
e.g. the ball will not stop rolling downhill, when in Equ. 11
sin <I> cos <I> becomes equal to or greater than the coefficient
of friction, f. Then .
WH cos 8 +WX cos <I> = WS+f (8) S+ = 11.8
f-sin <I> cos <I>
11.8
o = 00 (12)
But,
x
Or,
S~sin <I> (9)
From Equ. 12, the following tabulation can be made of
the maximum or limiting downslope angles at which a ball
will not stop rolling versus the coefficients of friction that
prevail on slow to fast feel putting surfaces.
WH cos 8 + WS+ sin <I> cos <I> = WS+f (10)
And, canceling W out of each term of Equ. 10 and substituting
the value of the fixed parameters, H = 12.6 inches and
cos 20~O = 0.937,
Figure 5'
)
4 8 12 16 20 24 28 32 36 40 44 48 52 56 60
Stimpmeter Reading on Downsloped Surface, S ~, Feet
2
o 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12
Putting Green Angle at Which Golf Ball Will Not Stop Rolling, Degrees
13
11.8 (11)
f- sin <I> cos <I>
Figure 4
(12.6 x 0.937)
f- sin <I> cos <I>
..... Q)
~ 13
100: 12
Q)
u '13 11
~ 10
~
~ 9 ....:l
s:: 8
o
gf 7 ;g 6 Q)
~ 5
2S 4 0.. .5 3
U5
S~ =
14 USGA GREEN SECTION RECORD
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Patrick_Mucci

Re:Is Seminole Big Enough for Tiger?
« Reply #18 on: September 19, 2007, 02:36:32 AM »
f S Limiting Downslope Angle
0.197 5.0 1P - 40'
0.164 6.0 9° - 40'
0.116 8.5 6° - 30'
0.089 11.0 5° - 10'
0.079 12.5 4° - 30'

0.197 5.0 4.57 4.24 3.95 3.68 3.46 3.27
0.164 6.0 5.40 4.94 4.55 4.20 3.92 3.67
0.116 8.5 7.34 6.51 5.85 5.29 4.84 4.47
0.089 11.0 9.19 7.93 6.97 6.18 5.59 5.09
0.079 12.5 10.1 8.63 7.51 6.60 5.8 5.37

These values are plotted in Fig. 5 to establish the limiting
downslope angles for all values of S.

Upsloped Green Surfaces
Conversely, for golf balls rolling uphill, Stimpmeter reading
Sl',Equ. 12 becomes
S l' = 11.8 (13)
f+sin <P cos <P

Again, the following equivalent values of Sl' can be calculated
and plotted in Fig. 6 from Equ. 13, based upon the
prevailing upslope angle.

Green Speed 2 x st x S+ (14)
Corrected for Slope S l' + S+
Application
Both the conservation of energy model and the Brede
formula have been validated by actual measurements. The
conservation of energy model, by including green slope as
a variable in calculation, serves to beforehand, having
decided upon a desired Stimpmeter speed rating, establish the
downhill and/or uphill Stimpmeter readings to which the
putting greens need to be prepared. The Brede formula serves,
only after the fact, to establish the speed reading that would
have prevailed on a level green where, because of green
slopes, the traditional two-direction average method would
have resulted in an incorrect speed rating.
To measure green slope, a two-man sight-level surveyor
team need not be used. Instead, one of the new electronic
leveling devices, such as a one-man "Smart Level" with a
digital readout accurate to :to.1 degrees serves the purpose.
Like the Stimpmeter, it is a simple and fast tool to use.
The sets of curves included in Figs. 4, 5, and 6 define for
the golf course superintendent, tournament committees,
players, and the like the Stimpmeter readings that should
prevail, knowing from prior measurement the angularity of
the greens, to control putting speed by indexing these
readings to the generally accepted slow-to-fast speed
characterizations that result from Stimpmeter measurements
made on level greens. For example, at anyone golf course,
particularly one built with undulating and/or steeply sloped
greens, the angularities built into each green can be sectioned
and mapped. One of the mapped sections, reasonably
consistent in its direction and degree of slope, can then be
selected as the basis for Stimpmeter measurement. One or
more such sections from the same and other of the putting
greens can be similarly selected for Stimpmeter measurement
as a check that all are mowed and otherwise groomed consistently
in putting speed with each other. As a permanent
record, each of the mapped sections can be supplemented
with a tabulation of its characteristic green speed versus
Stimpmeter readings from Figs. 4, 5, and 6.
Downslope has a much more pronounced effect upon
Stimpmeter measurements than does upslope - the steeper
the slopes and the faster the cuts, the greater the relative
difference. Generalizing, slow-to-medium speed greens, say
Stimpmeter reading 5 to 8 on a level green, although they
may be undulated upward of 5 to 6 degrees remain reasonably
manageable by the golfer. Medium-to-fast greens, say 8 to 12
Stimpmeter reading on a level green, start destabilizing the
nerves of golfers when angled upwards of 3 to 4 degrees.
Otherwise stated, markedly undulated golf greens, typical of
most time-honored courses, would be better maintained
with medium-to-slow speed greens, as they had been
architecturally conceived to challenge golfers by their contours,
not their slickness. To cope with fast greens, surface
angularities need be attenuated in fairness to playability by
the golfer and, lest we forget, maintenance by the superintendent.
Figure 6
3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11
Stimpmeter Reading on Upsloped Surface, st, Feet
......
OJ
~OJ 13
100- 12
OJu
11 ~~ 10 00
Q>) 9 OJ ....::l 8
I:: 0 7
CD
:.Ia:: 6 rOoJ 5
0:::
~l-< 4 OSJ 3
0.. .5
Ci5
Comparison of Fig. 6 with Fig. 4 graphically demonstrates
how downslope has a much more pronounced effect upon
the Stimpmeter reading than does upslope, especially the
faster the green is maintained. Although Stimpmeter
measurements made on the upslope, being shorter, are
simpler to measure, downslope values, being substantially
longer and as a consequence more sensitive to measurement,
more appropriately serve to characterize green speed
for the golfer.
The Brede Formula
By merging Sir Isaac Newton's motion equations for the
up and down slope movements of objects into one equation,
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Anthony_Nysse

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Re:Is Seminole Big Enough for Tiger?
« Reply #19 on: September 19, 2007, 06:10:43 AM »
Cute responses above.
  Actually, from the first part of January until end of March, yes. With the growth of tifeagle being so slowed because of temps only around 80ish and night time lows in the low 60s. Combine that with a mowing height below .090, alot of primo and several other factors that I won’t give away. (Something this superintendent does is VERY key to this, but I’m not at liberty to say) Our greens here at Long Cove have already slowed down growth wise and have sped up just because of the cooler temp. Tifeagle likes it hot! An area course here can run their greens over 12.5 in the summer when growth is optimum, if those practices down change and the growth slows or the grass is even near dormancy, it’s very easy to get them out of control, but there cannot be a lot of golf because the turf growing so little, it will not recover and begin thinning out.

Tony Nysse
Sr. Asst. Supt
Long Cove Club
HHI, SC
Anthony J. Nysse
Director of Golf Courses & Grounds
Apogee Club
Hobe Sound, FL

jeffwarne

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Re:Is Seminole Big Enough for Tiger?
« Reply #20 on: September 19, 2007, 08:00:39 AM »
I believe John Kavanaugh can provide a surface that will stimp around 126-128.
And you can make shoes out of the stuff for those who win too much money. ;D

I'd rather see some decent architecture than a crazy arms race over whose greens are fastest. Most interesting greens I've seen would be unfun above a speed of 11 and the ones I really like would probably be best about 8-9. (but don't tell anyone because that's a  secret)

Here's hoping the "new" modern grass at Palmetto doesn't screw up a classic-particularly when it's dormant.
(because no one liked Palmetto before)
"Let's slow the damned greens down a bit, not take the character out of them." Tom Doak
"Take their focus off the grass and put it squarely on interesting golf." Don Mahaffey

Mike_Young

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Re:Is Seminole Big Enough for Tiger?
« Reply #21 on: September 19, 2007, 08:26:24 AM »
Save this topic and bring back up in 10 years....see if speeds have increased or what....
"just standing on a corner in Winslow Arizona"

JESII

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Re:Is Seminole Big Enough for Tiger?
« Reply #22 on: September 19, 2007, 02:01:48 PM »

Are new 7500 yard courses the only ones that are appropriate for tour pros to play and practice on?  What other classic venues are too small for the best players in the world?  Pine Valley?  Cypress Point?

Interesting question Mike...I would tend to think Seminole would give the guys a chance to work on alot of aspects of their game that might not be so easy to find at a "typical" high end Florida course.

I've not played some of the other candidates thrown around on this thread, but Seminole will demand ball control, so that's a start.

Many of the holes at Seminole might not be a driver in competition for him but in practice those same holes might provide a better barometer of just how well he is hitting it.

All in, I think the course is less important than the environment in determining the right place for ANYONE[/i] to hang their hat. If Seminole is going to have 130 rounds a day from Nov. 1 through May 1 and be closed the rest of the year, I doubt that's an ideal arrangement for Tiger.

John_Cullum

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Re:Is Seminole Big Enough for Tiger?
« Reply #23 on: September 19, 2007, 05:19:36 PM »
I am surprised to learn that Tiger is a member at Seminole
"We finally beat Medicare. "

Phil Benedict

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Re:Is Seminole Big Enough for Tiger?
« Reply #24 on: September 19, 2007, 05:22:47 PM »
I am surprised to learn that Tiger is a member at Seminole

He isn't.  It's just one of the courses close by to where he is building his new home.
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