[Jim Franklin]

As I have stated before, I do not have a problem sharing my club with others with the same passion. It is fun playing with different people and talking about golf. I will certainly stop hosting people if and when I get stiffed or get embarrassed at my club or something of that nature.

I have met a lot of really good guys from this site and look forward to meeting more.

[Dan_Callahan]

I have been lucky to be a member at a worse-than-average 9-hole private course in Connecticut and, as a result, have never had any of those gadflys bother me about access.

More recently, I moved to the Boston area and can't afford to join any of the private clubs, good or bad. So I spend most of my time jockeying for tee times at the poorly designed local public courses and am once again spared the nuisance of being hounded for an invite.

[Jerry Kluger]

I have deleted drafts of posts because I recognized that this is a public forum and a problem I have with what an individual has to say is best left to an IM.  That being said, a good discussion often means challenging someone but in good taste and decorum - someone else is listening to the conversation.  

So far as off topic subjects I have found no consistency or definition of what is off topic.  Clearly the discussion has often gone beyond pure architectural issues in threads which had begun on topic - does that mean that the posting should stop - I think not.  Some have begun threads that are off topic without noting that they are OT - should these participants be punished - or what if the topic is noted as OT - what are the consequences to be?  I try to bring the discussion over to something which is more closely related to golf course architecture if my initial posting is OT - is that okay?  What exactly is on topic and what isn't - the problem with answering that question is whether it will make posters reluctant to give their views.  

If you take a look at most of the threads you will see that postings are limited to less than one page - so out of 1500 participants there is not enough interest in the subject to generate more than one page of discussion.  That alone would lend credibility to a position that the subjects being discussed are not generating much interest and the OT subjects cannot be blamed for that.

[Tiger_Bernhardt]

I actually have a problem with this whole topic. There have been censure actions taken lately that are completely personality driven and without basis. We used to just ignore people who were out of line and they would soon just go away. I have met many great people on here and only a few of the other. I have learned a lot and hope to contribute in a positive way as well.

[David Stamm]

 

I have a question: Can IMs be read by other than two chaps in contact with each other?  
Ciao

From what I understand Sean, yes. This was a hot topic not long ago. I believe the moderators can read the IM's.

[RJ_Daley]

Sean, the answer to your first question is unfortunately, Yes.  The answer to the second I couldn't say on my part, because I don't know if I didn't get an IM that I didn't get.  

I'm hitting my hand against the desk right now, not whacking off so much as restraining myself from a tirade...

[John_Cullum]

I could have done without that imagery

[Dan Kelly]

I could have done without that imagery

You're absolutely right. The image of the Badgers' winning anything is most distasteful.

[RJ_Daley]

Yes Sean, I received a liberal arts education from the UW, during the years of free love and peace, riots and war, and demonstration after demonstration, thus my demonstrativness.  I learned the W.O part before my university years, and never learned to write or spell very well being so liberally educated at the UW.  

Like Stricker, we cry when we have any inkling we 'might' even win a golf tournament, and are as slap happy and giddy as Jerry Kelly driving a beer truck.  

If we can continue to stay OT and highjack this thread, Badger logic dictates that maybe Tommy will take it down and euthanise it since everything on the subject has been stated during group therapy held every couple months since GCA.com began.

[Kalen Braley]

Yes Sean, I received a liberal arts education from the UW, during the years of free love and peace, riots and war, and demonstration after demonstration, thus my demonstrativness.  I learned the W.O part before my university years, and never learned to write or spell very well being so liberally educated at the UW.  

Like Stricker, we cry when we have any inkling we 'might' even win a golf tournament, and are as slap happy and giddy as Jerry Kelly driving a beer truck.  

If we can continue to stay OT and highjack this thread, Badger logic dictates that maybe Tommy will take it down and euthanise it since everything on the subject has been stated during group therapy held every couple months since GCA.com began.

LMFAO...Your killing me RJ...that was one of the funniest posts I've ever read...

[Gary Daughters]

Sorry to revive a thread that seems to have run its course, but I do want to weigh in on the OT issue.

There's a fairly deep well of brain waves on this message board.  Deeper than you usually get talking to neighbors, colleagues, parents at school, etc.  If a stimulating thread develops from something off kilter, then I'm all for it.

I enjoy this discussion about golf course architecture not just for the learning experience but mostly for the intellectual gymnastics it offers at its best.

No religion, no politics, and with occasional reminders to steer it back to gca then everything should be fine.

It may be a done deal, but I'm against the apartheid of bifurcating the board into "serious" and "OT."

[Jim Nugent]

It may be a done deal, but I'm against the apartheid of bifurcating the board into "serious" and "OT."

I hope it's not a done deal, and that Ran never splits up the DG like that.  

[Phil McDade]

Sorry to revive a thread that seems to have run its course, but I do want to weigh in on the OT issue.

There's a fairly deep well of brain waves on this message board.  Deeper than you usually get talking to neighbors, colleagues, parents at school, etc.  If a stimulating thread develops from something off kilter, then I'm all for it.

I enjoy this discussion about golf course architecture not just for the learning experience but mostly for the intellectual gymnastics it offers at its best.

No religion, no politics, and with occasional reminders to steer it back to gca then everything should be fine.

It may be a done deal, but I'm against the apartheid of bifurcating the board into "serious" and "OT."

Gary:

Well said. I am, often daily, fairly astonished at the depth of knowledge on subjects far and wide on topics GCA and OT expressed here. I say keep it the way it is; it works well despite the occasional warts and miscues.

Sean -- here in Wisconsin, we'd call that sifting and winnowing.

[Kalen Braley]

It may be a done deal, but I'm against the apartheid of bifurcating the board into "serious" and "OT."

I hope it's not a done deal, and that Ran never splits up the DG like that.  

I really don't understand the resistance to dividing things up by section.

If I had a nickel for everytime I've heard someone beef about how fast "Real" threads disappear off the 1st page, then... well you know how that goes.  Going to sections would be a HUGE step in solving that as they would stay on the 1st page of thier section alot longer.

How often does this happen because someone starts a thread about being in some city on such and such dates. Or starts a thread on the latest golf tournament, or starts a thread on the latest driver/ball/iron to come out.  Or how often does a thread get started about how somone searched for info on a course and couldn't find any.

You can still keep in touch with all your buddies, and now you will at least have an organized way to find things instead of trying to user the search utility, which in its current state is rudimentary at best.

I really, really just don't understand the mindset.  People bitch and moan because they hate wading thru all these topics, yet bitch and moan over a very easy to use method which will allow you to focus in on what you are interested in.  And if you want to keep a pulse on the whole site, by all means be a regular visitor to every section of the DG.

Just a few questions.....

When you go to the grocery store, do you find the lunchmeats in the laundry section?
At the retail store do you find the hammers in the womens department?
In Circuit City do you find the computers in the DVD section?
In the video store do you find the.....oh wait, forget about that last one...

My .$02 on this one, rant over.

[Jim Nugent]

Kalen, divide up the website, and I think you divide us up as well.  Yet "us" is the real strength of the GCA.com forum.  The ideas, the camaraderie, the humor, the debates, the (sometimes) fights.  

[Mark Pearce]

Kalen,

Is it the same people bitching and moaning about the two things?  I suspect not.  Bifurcation doesn't work on these discussion boards.  People post less on both boards and the main board loses its sense of humour, which is a disaster.

Mark

[Kalen Braley]

Jim and Mark,

From having been on two other sites that did this exact thing, I can only tell you that the site was vastly improved when it took this direction.

The number of posts on the entire site actually went up because people found it more useful.  Friendships remained intact, the humor, fun threads, and general group feel to the site did not lessen one bit....

[Jay Flemma]

[rant]Jeez, I open this thread and what I get out of it is a spoiler for a BRAND NEW BOOK THAT HAS BEEN JUST BEEN RELEASED AND I AM ONE CHAPTER THROUGH IT, READING IT TO MY TWO BOYS.  

IS COMMON SENSE IN SHORT SUPPLY?[/rant]

Kevin and Brad - that was certainly NOT a spoiler.  Have you read the other six?  Then you know for certain a one sentence comment in passing that something happens to the bad guy is NOT A SPOILER.

This whole thread is about not ranting and thinking before typing...

[Ken Moum]

Jim and Mark,

From having been on two other sites that did this exact thing, I can only tell you that the site was vastly improved when it took this direction.

The number of posts on the entire site actually went up because people found it more useful.  Friendships remained intact, the humor, fun threads, and general group feel to the site did not lessen one bit....

Well said.

This is especially true if the site hosting the forum makes it possible for the latest threads in each category to be displayed in a sidebar.

K

[Kevin_Reilly]

Kevin and Brad - that was certainly NOT a spoiler.  Have you read the other six?  Then you know for certain a one sentence comment in passing that something happens to the bad guy is NOT A SPOILER.

Sorry, I didn't know that the bad guy was supposed to meet his end in this book.  And yeah, I think it's fair to assume we read the other six...most people don't start a multi-volume set at the end.

[Joe Hancock]

Instead of adding another section, let's make every member sign an affidavit that states they will do finger exercises in an effort to not get finger weary from clicking the "Page 2" link...or even "Page 3" if one gets too busy to check i on GCA for a day....

To do my part, I will do some repitition exercises by pulling on the tab of multiple beers......

Joe

[Rick Shefchik]

A thought from a technologically challenged fellow: Is it possible to weight the  architecture threads so they don't drop to the bottom of the page as fast as the OT threads, despite fewer responses?

[Ally Mcintosh]

A thought from a technologically challenged fellow: Is it possible to weight the  architecture threads so they don't drop to the bottom of the page as fast as the OT threads, despite fewer responses?

rick, sounds like you need what kalen is suggesting...

... i see absolutely no problem with this as long as you don't divide into too many forums (more than 3 or 4)... personally speaking, i'd like to see a reference forum as well with threads on recommended reading etc...

...i have never once managed to get the 'search' function to work...

[CHrisB]

Did anybody else notice that all of the most notorious access whores avoided this thread and the access topic on its merits like the plague?

Gee, I wonder why?

Tommy, I support whatever you gotta do to get rid of the pepetrators of this noxious practice once and for all.  Participation on GCA should not be a double-edged sword or a balancing act.  People should be free to participate here without getting bombarded by come ons from access whores.  The treehouse is not a cathouse.

Shivas,
You sound like Gary Player re: the steroids/HGH issue.

There are 1500 members of this discussion group, and only about 20 or 30(?) who have posted on this thread.

So to make sure that readers of this thread don't think "hmmm....so-and-so hasn't posted on this thread--I wonder if he's one of the access hounds?", maybe (like Gary Player) you should name names?

[Jeff_Brauer]

I'll post just so no one thinks I am an access whore......

Seriously, I think that being in the biz, I would get a free pass anyway. On my recent trip to N MI as guest of Tom D and Mike DeV, I never asked for a tee time, nor did I ask as a rater, gca.com panelist, etc.  I went as I always do - a practicing golf architect always willing to learn.

Anyone have a problem with that?

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