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Mark_Fine

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A one of a kind design feature??
« on: July 20, 2007, 08:39:11 PM »
I've seen a lot of golf courses but this is the first time I have ever have seen a feature like this on any course anywhere in the world.  Can anyone guess the name of the course?  Needless to say, we will NOT be recommending trees be planted between these three greens to screen them off  ;)

Pretty cool!!



Here is another shot standing on the one green looking toward the other two!

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Jeff Doerr

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Re:A one of a kind design feature??
« Reply #1 on: July 20, 2007, 08:49:00 PM »
Mark,

Not quite the same, but Bandon Dunes has three that line up pretty well. Muuuuuch farther apart. Not the best picture moment when we were there in March...

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Patrick_Mucci

Re:A one of a kind design feature??
« Reply #2 on: July 20, 2007, 08:51:54 PM »
Mark,

The approach to # 13 at GCGC is even more deceptive because the 13th green slopes away from you and the 15th green, directly behind the 13th green slopes toward you.

I've had dozens of guests ask for the yardage, select a club, and scream when their ball comes down 30-50 yards short of where they perceived the 13th green to be.  When I remind them that the near flag is on the 13th green, they feel embarrassed because they totally lost their focus on the intended target due to the strong visual signal sent by # 15th green and weak signal sent by the 13th green.

It's a wonderful feature.

Perhaps someone can post a picture of it.

The hidden nature of # 13 green, due to its fall away slope, is a really neat feature
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Mark_Fine

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Re:A one of a kind design feature??
« Reply #3 on: July 20, 2007, 09:30:27 PM »
Jeff,
That is a neat shot as well, but these three greens so close apart amazed me.  As a hint, Mr. Ross is responsible!

Pat,
The back to back feature is pretty cool but did you ever see back to back to back?
Mark
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TEPaul

Re:A one of a kind design feature??
« Reply #4 on: July 20, 2007, 09:43:20 PM »
"Pretty cool!!"

Mark:

Not to play the Devil's Advocate just for the sake of playing it but I'm not exactly sure why that's pretty cool.

GCGC's 13th and 15th lining up is unusual when you see it the first time and two greens can sort of line up at Sebonak but when you think about it they do make sense in a routing context but that top photo just looks pretty strange to me.   ;)
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Mark_Fine

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Re:A one of a kind design feature??
« Reply #5 on: July 20, 2007, 10:06:16 PM »
Tom,
One of the reasons it is pretty cool is the reminder of the intimacy of older golf courses (the close proximity of holes to one another) that is often lost today on modern designs.  You just can't do this kind of thing anymore (liability reasons).
Another reason is the unique visual of the flags lined up one after the other.  Two greens back to back is not that uncommon but here Ross lined up three of them and it works beautifully.
Mark
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Tim Bert

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Re:A one of a kind design feature??
« Reply #6 on: July 20, 2007, 10:13:20 PM »
Here's a little clearer shot of the three pins lining up at Bandon.  The first round we ever played out there was the best alignment I've seen of all the rounds I've played there.

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Mark_Fine

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Re:A one of a kind design feature??
« Reply #7 on: July 20, 2007, 10:13:56 PM »
Here is a view from the shared tee of two lower holes (the third green would be to your right).  



Here is a view from the center of the two holes.

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TEPaul

Re:A one of a kind design feature??
« Reply #8 on: July 20, 2007, 10:15:31 PM »
"Two greens back to back is not that uncommon but here Ross lined up three of them and it works beautifully."

Well, then, I guess that must prove that photographs just don't ever do golf architecture justice. I'm sure it would be possible in a routing sense on various kinds of sites to line up four or even more flags if somebody thinks flags in a line is some new interesting aesthetic or something like that.

Frankly, I love some of the old fashioned style routings where everything is fairly visible and in close quarters but I also like an old course like PV where there is almost total hole separation visually.

By the way, other than #11 green and #12 tee (which Crump planned to fix) PV just might be one of the closest green to next tee couplings of any course in the world.
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Mark_Fine

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Re:A one of a kind design feature??
« Reply #9 on: July 20, 2007, 10:15:57 PM »
Tim,
Nice photo!
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Jeff Doerr

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Re:A one of a kind design feature??
« Reply #10 on: July 20, 2007, 11:46:39 PM »
Mark,

Still not sure where your TRIPLE is, but I'll be playing this one on Sunday. This one has three flags on the same green...

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Scott Witter

Re:A one of a kind design feature??
« Reply #11 on: July 21, 2007, 08:50:56 AM »
I do know what course this is...but I would be cheating if I said so.  Very cool feature indeed and I should think Mr. Fine that a couple groupings of CONIFER  :P trees would suit this condition well ;D

Not a bad round you had there Mr. Fine as well...well it could have been if you could only putt :'(

Hint, can you putt a round ball into a SQUARE hole?
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Jim_Kennedy

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Re:A one of a kind design feature??
« Reply #12 on: July 21, 2007, 09:24:29 AM »
Mark,
It's a trick, you're doing it with mirrors. Did you have your wife's coat on when you played?
Aren't they about 55 and 70 yds. apart?

For one grow in year we had 3 lining up here at Hotchkiss, although the one in the middle was built by George Bahto to replace the one in the foreground.
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redanman

Re:A one of a kind design feature??
« Reply #13 on: July 21, 2007, 09:57:36 AM »
I think I ken it.

Ross built an interesting spot at RI in which one stands on
the 9th tee and looks right to see about 5 parallel holes.  
One thinks "hmmmmm, but I have never seen better
parallel holes than those. It has a "celestial" name.

This course in these pictures, I believe it the one in PA that
I'm thinking of?
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Mark_Fine

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Re:A one of a kind design feature??
« Reply #14 on: July 21, 2007, 10:25:47 AM »
This course IS in PA.  As you can tell from the other photos, the greens are very close together.  The hole numbers are #10, and the two greens that share a bunker between them are #8 and #17.  

Scott,
We spent a good four hours just walking the course with the Super getting his insight and ideas then played with him and the Grounds Chairman afterwards.  
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Doug Bolls

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Re:A one of a kind design feature??
« Reply #15 on: July 23, 2007, 11:52:41 PM »
I have a picture from Shawnee CC (Donald Ross) that I think you would like to see in this thread - I don't know how to get the picture from my computer to this site - help!
Doug
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RJ_Daley

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Re:A one of a kind design feature??
« Reply #16 on: July 24, 2007, 12:18:26 AM »
Jeff, might that location have one of several McNinimins you could pub and grub later on Sunday with a guy named Peter?  ;) ;D 8)
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Mark_Fine

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Re:A one of a kind design feature??
« Reply #17 on: July 24, 2007, 08:10:05 AM »
Doug,
You can email it to me.  I assume you are referring to the Ross course in Kansas?
Mark
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Ken Moum

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Re:A one of a kind design feature??
« Reply #18 on: July 24, 2007, 12:05:44 PM »
Quote from: Mark_Fine on July 24, 2007, 08:10:05 AM
Doug,
You can email it to me.  I assume you are referring to the Ross course in Kansas?
Mark

He is. When we played Sunday, I was pointing out upcoming holes to him, and realized that our 6th, 10th and 12th greens are all in a perfect line.  Since he had a camera, he took a photo that shows all three flagsticks.

What's funny is that I never noticed it before... despite having been in a greenside bunker on 10 when I hit my second shot over the sixth green.

K
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Doug Bolls

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Re:A one of a kind design feature??
« Reply #19 on: July 24, 2007, 12:19:54 PM »
Mark - I just emailed you the picture.
Doug
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Mark_Fine

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Re:A one of a kind design feature??
« Reply #20 on: July 24, 2007, 12:26:59 PM »
Here is Doug's photo of the Ross course in Kansas:

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wsmorrison

Re:A one of a kind design feature??
« Reply #21 on: July 24, 2007, 12:38:33 PM »
Are these examples of a design feature or a design coincidence?  Did any of the architects write about a systematic effort to pull this off?  Mark, why do you withhold course names?  

I guess an alignment of greens can be interesting, but subordinate to the interest of the holes themselves taken as a whole, if you know what I mean.
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Sean_A

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Re:A one of a kind design feature??
« Reply #22 on: July 24, 2007, 12:45:57 PM »
Quote from: TEPaul on July 20, 2007, 10:15:31 PM
"Two greens back to back is not that uncommon but here Ross lined up three of them and it works beautifully."

Well, then, I guess that must prove that photographs just don't ever do golf architecture justice. I'm sure it would be possible in a routing sense on various kinds of sites to line up four or even more flags if somebody thinks flags in a line is some new interesting aesthetic or something like that.

Tom P.  

I know what you mean.  I was just thinking how cool it would be to make this one huge green, then I saw second photo.  The holes do look dull.  

Mark, are they better then they look?

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Mark_Fine

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Re:A one of a kind design feature??
« Reply #23 on: July 24, 2007, 12:48:59 PM »
Wayne,
The course I showed photos of is Kennett Square.  Doug mentioned the name of the course for his photo - Shawnee CC.  

I'm not sure if it was design coincidence or design purpose.  In the case of the three greens at Kennett Square, Ross did not have to line them up as he did if he didn't want to.  
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Doug Bolls

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Re:A one of a kind design feature??
« Reply #24 on: July 24, 2007, 12:49:17 PM »
The Donald Ross course in question is Shawnee CC in Topeka - it's Ken Moum's home course.  From the right the holes are #12, #9 and #6.  All 3 holes play in from the left side of the picture.
Doug
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