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Noel Freeman

Re:Kawana (pictures)
« Reply #25 on: February 27, 2007, 10:06:29 AM »
Quote from: Paul_Turner on February 27, 2007, 06:58:55 AM
Philip, thanks for the pics.  Nice to see the less photographed holes in detail.

There almost needs to be a new category for courses like Kawana, Eastward Ho!, Hague, Durban.  Courses with an unusual amount Eric

Is that Kevinge?  I have a few old pics.

Paul, lest we forget Southerdown should be included in your statement!
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Ron Farris

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Re:Kawana (pictures)
« Reply #26 on: February 28, 2007, 12:34:09 AM »
Great photos and thanks for sharing them with those who will never get to Japan.  I have been fortunate to play Kawana a couple of times.  Each time was a real treat.  I looks like the fairway widths have narrowed in width from when I played.  I absolutely love the bunkering and it has inspired me in my designs.
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Ramon Ware

Re:Kawana (pictures)
« Reply #27 on: February 28, 2007, 12:39:01 AM »
Thanks for the treat!!

What a wonderful golf course.  Wow, what a treat!

Thanks for sharing the photos, and allowing me to experience it as well.
« Last Edit: February 28, 2007, 12:39:29 AM by Ramon Ware »
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Philip Gawith

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Re:Kawana (a few more pictures added)
« Reply #28 on: February 28, 2007, 01:05:19 AM »
Sorry - took a while to get these up. Please tolerate the indulgence!


Looking down the third...



This picture captures the dramatic camber of the 7th fairway - such that I wonder whether it realistic to try and drive it, though it is within range (c 330 off club markers, around 390 off the back, but downhill)




Looking back down the 9th fairway..




The 11th fairway - giving some sense of the undulations, though not as marked as 15



View from left of 13th green...I like the tree!




Tee shot on 14 - you have to carry that bunker if you are brave, but it is long (c 250 yards off the back)



Looking down on 15th green from 16th green




A nice shot looking back down the short 16th - the huge bank in front of the green is disguised..




The tee shot on difficult, uphill 17th. Note the mound on the right of the fairway bunker which is the line to aim for.



A close-up of said bunker - which must be fully 60 yards wide




The 17th green from about 60 yards out - quite likely where you may be playing your third from...



And finally - a few pictures of sketches of the course which are displayed in the clubhouse




Those who are interested in CH Alison/Kawana should obviously also read Tom MacWood's essay on Gliding past Mt Fuji in the In My Opinion section.










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Philip Gawith

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Re:Kawana (a few more pictures added)
« Reply #29 on: February 28, 2007, 01:08:25 AM »
Ron - it is difficult to believe Japan has many courses of this calibre, but where else do you recommend playing in Japan? Excuse my ignorance, but have you built courses there?
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ed_getka

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Re:Kawana (a few more pictures added)
« Reply #30 on: February 28, 2007, 02:28:14 PM »
Where did the pictures go? :'(
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"Perimeter-weighted fairways", The best euphemism for containment mounding I've ever heard.

Eric Franzen

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Re:Kawana (a few more pictures added)
« Reply #31 on: February 28, 2007, 02:32:47 PM »
Quote from: ed_getka on February 28, 2007, 02:28:14 PM
Where did the pictures go? :'(

They are still visible - at least to me. Might have been some temporary problems at photobucket... recommend that you reload the page.

Cheers,

Eric
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Kalen Braley

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Re:Kawana (a few more pictures added)
« Reply #32 on: February 28, 2007, 03:24:20 PM »
ed,

Which browser are you using?  I'm using IE 7, and they come up just fine.
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Ron Farris

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Re:Kawana (a few more pictures added)
« Reply #33 on: February 28, 2007, 03:33:28 PM »
Phillip,
I spent years in Japan working with/for Dye.  That in itself is a very long story which I have no time to get into.  There are a lot of very fine golf course in Japan.  I especially enjoyed Hirono, which of course is another Allison course.  I actually liked it more because it was a private club without all of the hussle and bussle that takes place at Kawana.  Although the meals at Kawana are wonderful.  The names slip me right now but there are some good courses in and around Mt. Fuji.  Having worked for the Dyes in the 80's I must say that most of the courses are overshaped and full of crazy mounding (not land features).  The engineering firms in Japan had there way with the world and government regulations have made it very difficult to have the complete package of a very natural looking course.  I spent most of my time in the Tokyo area with Dye.  I designed a couple of golf courses with a friend of mine who was a past amateur champion, Masayuki Naito, on the island of Shikoku and in Miyazaki.  Again, with the massive amounts of earth moved, thus creating huge cut slopes and long fills full of U-shaped concrete ditches, it was hard to get a really good golf course.  We were trying to do a course near a national park that had a wonderful site full of natural pampus grass, but alas, it was abandoned after years of fighting for government approval and -well - the bubble popped in Japan.
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Tim Pitner

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Re:Kawana (a few more pictures added)
« Reply #34 on: February 28, 2007, 03:34:58 PM »
Stunning . . . dream-like.  Thanks Philip.  Count me among those who love the green-brown contrast.  I think I'd prefer to play it in those conditions.
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Marty Bonnar

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Re:Kawana (a few more pictures added)
« Reply #35 on: February 28, 2007, 03:36:41 PM »
Beautiful, Philip.

I never knew Alison was such an admirer of Salvador Dali. All the course needs are a metamorphosis of narcissus or two and some stopwatches dripping from the trees.

Truly Golf Architecture as Art.

FBD.
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ed_getka

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Re:Kawana (a few more pictures added)
« Reply #36 on: February 28, 2007, 03:40:52 PM »
Kalen,
   You must be confusing me with someone who knows something about computers. ;D
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Darren_Kilfara

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Re:Kawana (a few more pictures added)
« Reply #37 on: February 28, 2007, 03:45:36 PM »
Well, I'm not a big fan of the green-brown contrast (looks too much like the ugly dormant wintertime bermuda I grew up on)...but these pictures still have me daydreaming about a trip to Tokyo. Let me echo the congregation - thanks for the pictures, Philip!

Cheers,
Darren
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Keith Durrant

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Re:Kawana (a few more pictures added)
« Reply #38 on: February 28, 2007, 04:17:53 PM »
Well done Philip! I wanted to play this course after Noel posted on it, but really these pictures take the biscuit!

How do the sand bunkers play? Is that a local volcanic sand? - it's very dark. It has the appearance of bunkers after steady english rain. Or does it play light and fluffy?

If that was a US course, they would ship in the whitest, fluffiest augusta-like sand. Would the course rate higher with such cosmetic enhancement?
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Philip Gawith

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Re:Kawana (a few more pictures added)
« Reply #39 on: February 28, 2007, 04:42:53 PM »
Keith - it is indeed volcanic sand. It plays firm rather than fluffy. Interestingly, if you see the publicity posters for past tournaments, the grass is very green - and the sand is white! What a pity.
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Kalen Braley

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Re:Kawana (a few more pictures added)
« Reply #40 on: February 28, 2007, 05:09:32 PM »
Quote from: ed_getka on February 28, 2007, 03:40:52 PM
Kalen,
   You must be confusing me with someone who knows something about computers. ;D

lol..well how about this one.

When you click on the icon on your desktop to get to the internet, is it a little E with a halo, or is it a fox wrapped around a globe.   ;D
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ed_getka

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Re:Kawana (a few more pictures added)
« Reply #41 on: February 28, 2007, 05:13:02 PM »
The e, should I be looking for a fox? ???
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"Perimeter-weighted fairways", The best euphemism for containment mounding I've ever heard.

George Pazin

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Re:Kawana (a few more pictures added)
« Reply #42 on: February 28, 2007, 05:15:35 PM »
Well done, thanks for sharing.

And I had no idea that thing in the corner was a fox.
« Last Edit: February 28, 2007, 05:16:29 PM by George Pazin »
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Paul_Daley

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Re:Kawana (a few more pictures added)
« Reply #43 on: February 28, 2007, 05:26:15 PM »
Philip,

You've struck a chord with these unusually great photos. Terrrific work!
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Philip Gawith

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Re:Kawana (a few more pictures added)
« Reply #44 on: March 01, 2007, 01:36:25 AM »
FBD - I had not thought about the Salvidor Dali angle, but there is definitely something in it. Aside from the dramatic routing and bunkering, it is quite striking how the unusual colouring of the course adds to the overall visual impact.

Paul, I did make contact with the gent whose name you gave me - through his very helpful secretary who remembered you fondly! - but we did not manage to meet up. Maybe another time! I am sure he has better potential than most to help unlock a few of the secrets.
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George Freeman

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Re: Kawana (a few more pictures added)
« Reply #45 on: November 22, 2011, 11:55:13 AM »
 :o :o :o :o :o

Unbelievable pictures.  Wow that course looks good and the brown/green color only adds to its attractiveness!

I need an excuse to get to Japan!
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Jay Flemma

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Re: Kawana (a few more pictures added)
« Reply #46 on: November 24, 2011, 01:45:14 PM »
Very cool.  Is it always that color? 
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Jay Flemma

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Re: Kawana (a few more pictures added)
« Reply #47 on: November 25, 2011, 01:15:59 PM »
Yes...really cool looking.  Nicely done on getting to play in Asia too...I've not yet done that:)  It looks like the day I played Colonial in winter and everything was a beautiful burnished gold.
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Ron Csigo

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Re: Kawana (a few more pictures added)
« Reply #48 on: November 25, 2011, 01:27:11 PM »
Quote from: Brian Sheehy on November 22, 2011, 10:42:33 AM
Bump - the thread on brown conditions reminded me of this tour...need to get to Japan!

Let me know when you're going again, Pardner.  I can't go next weekend because the Jonas brothers are in town.  But any weekend after that, I'm available.   Oops.  Sorry, heading to Dormie Club in 2 weekends.  Anytime after that though... 
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Ron Csigo

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Re: Kawana (a few more pictures added)
« Reply #49 on: November 25, 2011, 01:34:27 PM »
Quote from: Brian Sheehy on November 25, 2011, 01:29:05 PM
Cheech, let's get in the diary for January if you can make it? YYEEEHAAAAW!

Crudler!!!  I'll probably be in Hawaii in January.  Playing Nanea.  Heck, it's on the way.  Care to stop and have a layover? 
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