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John_Cullum

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Re:How close architecturally is Primm Valley to Shadow Creek..
« Reply #25 on: January 12, 2007, 10:13:51 AM »
When I was in the Rio looking for Prince tickets ....

This certainly causes one to ponder.
« Last Edit: January 12, 2007, 10:15:11 AM by John Cullum »
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Jon Spaulding

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Re:How close architecturally is Primm Valley to Shadow Creek..
« Reply #26 on: January 12, 2007, 10:15:09 AM »
I was supposed to be first off (they inserted a single in front of me that was some "whale" gambler guy). Finished in 2:50, with some grounds crew interference.

Not perfect, but they were well behaved and this was one of very few, if any issues (once mentally past the money); it was certainly far less frustrating than paying $500 at Pebble to run into their grounds crew, watch people line up putts & take pictures for 6 hours.

It should also be noted that similar to Pebble, you are required to stay at one of the properties....they're just a heck of a lot less money (unless some large convention is in town). Pebble requires a stay if you want a tee time (now a 2-night committment in high season).
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John Kavanaugh

Re:How close architecturally is Primm Valley to Shadow Creek..
« Reply #27 on: January 12, 2007, 10:44:54 AM »
Sadly, Prince was out of town the day I tried for tickets.  He is just another simple midwestern lad like me who made good.  It was the only act in town that interested me that day.

One of the great things about my trip was how firm the courses in Arizona and California played.  Shadow looks soft...Is the correct.

George Pazin

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Re:How close architecturally is Primm Valley to Shadow Creek..
« Reply #28 on: January 12, 2007, 10:48:13 AM »
Thanks for the photos.

I've played Primm Desert and enjoyed it a great deal. It's one of the most playable desert courses of the 10 or so I've played, and I even thought they were a lot of interesting choices to be made.
Big drivers and hot balls are the product of golf course design that rewards the hit one far then hit one high strategy.  Shinny showed everyone how to take care of this whole technology dilemma. - Pat Brockwell, 6/24/04

John_Cullum

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Re:How close architecturally is Primm Valley to Shadow Creek..
« Reply #29 on: January 12, 2007, 11:07:50 AM »
Sadly, Prince was out of town the day I tried for tickets.  He is just another simple midwestern lad like me who made good.  It was the only act in town that interested me that day.

One of the great things about my trip was how firm the courses in Arizona and California played.  Shadow looks soft...Is the correct.

I never liked his music, nor did I ever like his appearance, but when he changed his name to some unitarian-like symbol that no one knew what it was or how to pronounce, and he forced everyone to refer to himself as "the artist formerly known as...", I want to puke at the site of it.
"We finally beat Medicare. "

Jon Spaulding

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Re:How close architecturally is Primm Valley to Shadow Creek..
« Reply #30 on: January 12, 2007, 01:31:56 PM »
Sadly, Prince was out of town the day I tried for tickets.  He is just another simple midwestern lad like me who made good.  It was the only act in town that interested me that day.

One of the great things about my trip was how firm the courses in Arizona and California played.  Shadow looks soft...Is the correct.

Shadow was soft; but I played it in March 05 at the conclusion of the wettest winter in history. Right now it's about the driest winter in history so I'll report next week on the firmness.
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John Kavanaugh

Re:How close architecturally is Primm Valley to Shadow Creek..
« Reply #31 on: January 12, 2007, 01:43:10 PM »
Jon,

I'm sorry you got screwed out of the Rustic outing.  You must be some kind of golf god or something to be playing Shadow Creek two times in such a short span.  Are you entertaining clients or what...I just can't see someone paying to play that course twice in such a short period of time.

If you like Fazio that much why not spend less money on a plane ticket and come play Victioria National with me...

Pete Lavallee

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Re:How close architecturally is Primm Valley to Shadow Creek..
« Reply #32 on: January 12, 2007, 01:46:59 PM »
He is just another simple midwestern lad like me who made good.  

Do we know this for certain?
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John Kavanaugh

Re:How close architecturally is Primm Valley to Shadow Creek..
« Reply #33 on: January 12, 2007, 01:49:12 PM »
Pete,

I think we were quite drunk and alone at your house one day but I don't recall if anyone from the site has ever seen me naked...so, you will just have to take my word for it.

Tom Huckaby

Re:How close architecturally is Primm Valley to Shadow Creek..
« Reply #34 on: January 12, 2007, 01:51:12 PM »
JK - obviously it's not you he's wondering about.

But methinks all of you need to purify yourselves in
the waters of Lake Minnetonka.

BTW, I know your buds want to see the strip, but
you could fly into Vegas, see that for awhile, and
then drive to Mesquite... that's where the Matt Ward
cart derby course is (Wolf Creek) and it's mega-expensive;
but the casino/hotels there do offer pretty darn good
package deals for the other courses there which are decent
at least.  Do a search on mesquite golf if interested and
you'll find the packages.  I think it's about 90 minutes
from Vegas.
« Last Edit: January 12, 2007, 01:53:09 PM by Tom Huckaby »

Jon Spaulding

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Re:How close architecturally is Primm Valley to Shadow Creek..
« Reply #35 on: January 12, 2007, 02:32:05 PM »
Jon,

I'm sorry you got screwed out of the Rustic outing.  You must be some kind of golf god or something to be playing Shadow Creek two times in such a short span.  Are you entertaining clients or what...I just can't see someone paying to play that course twice in such a short period of time.

If you like Fazio that much why not spend less money on a plane ticket and come play Victioria National with me...

I kind of screwed myself on Rustic...Tommy's cancellation came in late the night before and my wife had a coronary earlier in the evening claiming that I had never mentioned the subject. Note to self...written note to Momma next time.

Last time at Shadow I entertained myself; this time taking an employee that earned a $500 perk from doing a great job in 06. Of course all golf-related perks at our company require a chaperone.

I do enjoy Fazio courses, so the Victoria invitation is duly noted; note that "america's guest" and I share the same educational backgound; his reputation serves as an inspiration.
You'd make a fine little helper. What's your name?

John Kavanaugh

Re:How close architecturally is Primm Valley to Shadow Creek..
« Reply #36 on: January 12, 2007, 02:37:32 PM »


I do enjoy Fazio courses, so the Victoria invitation is duly noted; note that "america's guest" and I share the same educational backgound; his reputation serves as an inspiration.

You seem to have done well for someone who obviously couldn't get in LMU.  The offer still stands as Victoria does not discriminate against second tier Jesuit educations.

Tom Huckaby

Re:How close architecturally is Primm Valley to Shadow Creek..
« Reply #37 on: January 12, 2007, 03:29:21 PM »
I am not taking the bait, John, and nor will I offend
today's version of the school at which both of my parents
received their undergraduate degrees.

But let's just say Messrs. Spaulding, Benham, Pieracci and I
remain quite pleased with our education level.

TH

Billsteele

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Re:How close architecturally is Primm Valley to Shadow Creek..
« Reply #38 on: January 12, 2007, 04:48:57 PM »
Tom Huckaby said:


But methinks all of you need to purify yourselves in
the waters of Lake Minnetonka.

Tom, but this isn't Lake Minnetonka. That line is to "Purple Rain" as "Rosebud" is to "Citizen Kane."

Tom Huckaby

Re:How close architecturally is Primm Valley to Shadow Creek..
« Reply #39 on: January 12, 2007, 04:50:31 PM »
Bill - I'm just happy I got the line correct.

 ;D

Jon Spaulding

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Re:How close architecturally is Primm Valley to Shadow Creek..
« Reply #40 on: January 12, 2007, 06:01:28 PM »


I do enjoy Fazio courses, so the Victoria invitation is duly noted; note that "america's guest" and I share the same educational backgound; his reputation serves as an inspiration.

You seem to have done well for someone who obviously couldn't get in LMU.  The offer still stands as Victoria does not discriminate against second tier Jesuit educations.

Nice to hear that Victoria is so open-minded. It's a shame about your LMU news; one can only imagine the difficulty in carrying the weight of that educational baggage.
You'd make a fine little helper. What's your name?

Jon Spaulding

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Re:How close architecturally is Primm Valley to Shadow Creek..
« Reply #41 on: January 18, 2007, 03:51:30 PM »
Jordan; as promised, attached are a couple of photos of the "Wynn house", taken a couple days ago. It sits between the 18th and 14th holes, not very visible. It recently came on the market for $25M....like the bay area, a true bargain at $2000.00 per square foot!

view from #14 green


view from #18 green


other view from #18 green


view from #18 fairway


#16 green looking back
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John Kavanaugh

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Re:How close architecturally is Primm Valley to Shadow Creek..
« Reply #42 on: April 21, 2016, 06:44:20 PM »
When I was in the Rio looking for Prince tickets ....

This certainly causes one to ponder.


Ponder indeed.

Ian Mackenzie

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Re: How close architecturally is Primm Valley to Shadow Creek..
« Reply #43 on: April 22, 2016, 09:29:26 AM »
I have played both.


Story I heard is that when Steve Wynn contracted Fazio to build Shadow Creek, he wanted it to be "the only Fazio course in Nevada". Hence that is why Fazio did Primm just steps over the Nevada border into California.


I enjoyed Primm Valley. Night and day comparison to Shadow Creek, but the courses were fun and the price was right.
My subjective rating:


Shadow Creek: 94
Primm Valley: 82


YMMV.

Jim Franklin

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Re:How close architecturally is Primm Valley to Shadow Creek..
« Reply #44 on: April 25, 2016, 11:05:09 AM »
Sadly, Prince was out of town the day I tried for tickets.  He is just another simple midwestern lad like me who made good.  It was the only act in town that interested me that day.

One of the great things about my trip was how firm the courses in Arizona and California played.  Shadow looks soft...Is the correct.

I never liked his music, nor did I ever like his appearance, but when he changed his name to some unitarian-like symbol that no one knew what it was or how to pronounce, and he forced everyone to refer to himself as "the artist formerly known as...", I want to puke at the site of it.

Interesting that this thread pops up and Prince dies.....
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AChao

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Re: How close architecturally is Primm Valley to Shadow Creek..
« Reply #45 on: May 10, 2016, 08:08:00 PM »
I've played both courses and in my opinion the Lakes Course at Primm is Shadow Creek - Lite.  When Primm just opened, condition-wise it was excellent -- now the conditions are not so great when compared to before.  Architecturally, there are many similarities, but I clearly felt that Fazio created more subtleties and spent more time on the "environment" and shot values of every hole.  In addition, Shadow Creek has quite a few more striking features or difficult shots.  Primm is clearly built with a 15-handicap resort person in mind, while Shadow Creek, while very playable for all, has a few more demanding shots.

Drawing a parallel to food, if you eat at L'Atalier de Joel Robuchon, you are getting a similar meal to what you would get at Joel Robuchon, but a lot of the fineness and subtle flavors you can only get at the main restaurant.  Primm Lakes is like L'Atalier. 

In terms of price, both L'Atalier and Primm Lakes may be far better values, but I'd be hard-pressed to find anyone who has played both or eaten at both to say that if money were no object, they wouldn't choose Shadow Creek or Joel Robuchon.  That being said I play at Primm far more than I do at Shadow Creek!

Matthew Petersen

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Re:How close architecturally is Primm Valley to Shadow Creek..
« Reply #46 on: May 10, 2016, 11:48:42 PM »
Sadly, Prince was out of town the day I tried for tickets.  He is just another simple midwestern lad like me who made good.  It was the only act in town that interested me that day.

One of the great things about my trip was how firm the courses in Arizona and California played.  Shadow looks soft...Is the correct.

I never liked his music, nor did I ever like his appearance, but when he changed his name to some unitarian-like symbol that no one knew what it was or how to pronounce, and he forced everyone to refer to himself as "the artist formerly known as...", I want to puke at the site of it.

Interesting that this thread pops up and Prince dies.....


It only popped up after his death became public.

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