[Tom_Doak]

Cary:

What better venue to have our meeting than Sebonack?  We're not just going there because it's next door to National.  It is the perfect venue to discuss the pluses and minuses of collaboration and how, ideally, it should be done ... in a closed-door meeting.

[Patrick_Mucci]

I'm thinking that maybe all this excitement about Old McDonald will be more difficult to pull off correctly than we all think.

Maybe Keiser should have just said to Doak, do your thing but use as an inspiration McDonald and Raynor.

Rarely when you try to copy something does it come out as good as the original.

Here you have a unique piece of ground and Doak usually lets the routing drive the design.

Designing by group never works, our best designs in our studio came from our most talented artists, and we allowed them freedom to do their thing.

It may be that Keiser is putting handcuffs on Doak and not realizing it?

I don't think so.

He's already got a stunning Tom Doak golf course and wants something different.

Evidently he feels the same about CBM and SR as I do

[Patrick_Mucci]

Jim:

Everyone is talking for granted that this course will turn out brilliant. I am just pointing out that this is a much more difficult undertaking than it sounds, that too many cooks spoil the broth and suggesting to Keiser give Tom Doak his head and let him have the freedom he needs.

Freedom to do what ?

It is tougher to put 18 square pegs neatly into any piece of land, make it walkable, etc

MacDonald and Raynor seemed capable of doing it over and over again, so I"m sure that Tom Doak and Mike Keiser will
be able to do it.

[Lloyd_Cole]

I think that the idea that restrictions or boundaries will stifle creativity is a naive one. I think it can work in quite the opposite way - the overall concept is already in place, no creativity needs to be applied to that. All creative energy can be directed to the commission. And to get away from music for once, how about this? - In my opinion Martin Amis's journalistic work, all strictly commissioned, contains much of his best prose.

[Tommy_Naccarato]

Lloyd,
Truer words have never been spoken! (Or in this case written!)

[Robert Mercer Deruntz]

This is not a Tour 18.  There is actually quite a bit of freedom in the concept.  Though template holes will be built, the routing, location, length, and order of holes will offer an opportunity for greatness.  Having played quite a few CBM and Raynor courses,  I've found quite a bit of diversity in the holes.  Now, why would this project have to be different?  I find this to be tremendously exciting.  

[W.H. Cosgrove]

Fiction writing comes with a very few basic themes.  I figure the Bandon 4 project is simply a bunch of great minds getting together to create a great tale based on some well known themes.  

What they do with the Handcuffs after hours is between adults!

[Patrick_Mucci]

W.H Cosgrove,

That was very funny.

[Michael J. Moss]

Handcuffs, schmandcuffs!  

Here's all you gotta know:

Macdonald – The Evangelist of Golf.” (That has a ring to it!)

Enlightened owner. Great team assembled. Incredibly cool charge given to the team by the owner.

Played the Bandon Resort three times. It’s my favorite place on earth!

I can’t wait for this one to get done!

I’m not worried about handcuffs. I think we’re in pretty good hands.

[Kirk Gill]

There are certainly times when working within restrictions actually heightens the creativity of an artist. Sometimes a limiting of available decisions increases the attention payed to the other, often more important, decisions. Movie-making history is replete with stories of how a director chafed under the restrictions of the studio and managed to create a masterpiece (and, similarly, there are many stories of unfettered directors creating sprawling messes because there was nothing holding them back).

And don't most sites impose their own restrictions on an architect? Seems to me that each set of restrictions is unique, and can provide the basis for a unique course. Restricting Mr. Doak et. al. to creating a Mac/Raynor course is an intriguing notion, and one I celebrate as it will make playing a course of this style available to a wider audience of golfers.

[cary lichtenstein]

Jim:

I'm not talking about bickering, nor do I question the competence or the good intentions of all involved.

If Tom had 350 acres, he could do this project much easier finding the topography that fit the template so to speak, what is much harder here is you have 3 givens, the land, walking and the templates and that is what makes this much more complicated than it appears at first glance.

I have no doubt that the final product will turn out excellent, but not without an extra ordinary effort which I am certain is forthcoming, but it is difficult to get a kangaroo if 2 chickens mate.

Maybe Tom Doak will chime in at this point and say a few words about this.

[Dan Kelly]

Our cat's name was Houdini, but he lives with my ex-wife now.

Maybe he'll escape!

[tonyt]

Everyone is talking for granted that this course will turn out brilliant. I am just pointing out that this is a much more difficult undertaking than it sounds, that too many cooks spoil the broth and suggesting to Keiser give Tom Doak his head and let him have the freedom he needs.

No they aren't. Most of the comments on here seem to express excitement about the concept and heightened interest surrounding a course of this style built nowadays. Such talk has far outweighed any (if there has been any) discussion about where this course will rank, either in the Bandon portfolio or anywhere else.

The "too many cooks" proverb is a wive's tale. Heck, there are 300 million of you Americans, and you guys seem to have run your country ok over the past 230 years with a lot more cooks, and committees where the head chef isn't involved in decision making than Tom and Mike have to put up with on a patch of Oregon dirt.

[Tim Pitner]

We already know what a Tom Doak (and co.) course would look like on the Bandon site--it's called Pacific Dunes.  Now, of course, different land would yield a different course, but it might be too similar to PD.  That's one of the reasons I like the concept of Doak (and co.) doing a Macdonald/Raynor-style course.  

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