[Bill_McBride]

Jordan, do not do what my caddy did last time at Cypress Point:

1.   He changed all my clubs into a bag with a strap he preferred, then didn't get my putter into my own bag after we were done.  Lost club.  I didn't figure that out until I got home to Florida!

2.  Took off when I drove on #16 without leaving me a third ball and four iron, just in case I wanted to finish the hole!

3.   Gave me a putting lesson on #8.  Obviously I needed it since I immediately sank several in a row.

4.   Gave me several incredible reads, such as 5' left to right across #4 when I was pretty sure it was flattish.  Plunk!

So it can be a mixed bag.  You've had a lot of advice here, the best is to keep your mouth closed until spoken to.  There are as many golfers out there as there are caddies, but the player sets the tone.

No tips at Seattle CC?  Shame on those guys!  And the ladies are probably worse, right?  

[Kyle Harris]

Bill Murray may have put it best:

"Caddying teaches you to curse, smoke and play cards, but most importantly, when."

Jordan, try to find a copy of his book, "Cinderella Story" for some good caddie advice and quips.

[Tom Huckaby]

Huck,

We're talking about kids here, as players we have a responsibility to bring them to the game. They get paid far too little for what they do. The reason we have junior caddy programs is for the benefit to golf - and to bring kids into the game - it has nothing to do with how good a caddy they are for us. If they happen to be good, they make a little extra. If they happen to be excellent young men and women, we get together to help them along in life. That is why we have junior caddy programs.

I agree with every word of that.

So would your advice to Jordan be "don't sweat it, do the best you can, you can do no wrong?"

He said he was nervous, wanted to know what would make him a better caddie.  I don't get how answering his question with specifics causes any offense.

When I was 16 I was damn well expected to be a GOOD caddie after awhile, not just a bag toter.  I believe Jordan wants to be such as well... And there are ways to make that happen, ways it surely won't happen.  Given my knowledge of him I too believe he will have no problems.   But these tips could help.

I do get your point though.  I just think saying you were "offended" at what we said is a wee bit harsh, or oversensitive.  We all have Jordan's best interests at heart, and would all support Junior progams.  I just find no problems with trying also to instill excellence.

TH

[Mike Benham]

57 replies, 3-pages on what to do or not do ...

But since we are GCA, don't forget to educate your player on the GCA Pro's and Con's of the course ...

[Ian Andrew]

Huck,

I hear what your saying.

[Tom Huckaby]

Huck,

I hear what your saying.

Cool.  I figured we'd be on the same page.  
 

[Chris Kane]

Think about what you'd like in a caddy.  If you do the same for your player, you should be fine.

[Patrick_Mucci]

Jordan,

I haven't read any of the responses, but, my advice would be to learn the golf course inside out.  Know the yardages, the breaks in the green and then, learn to assess the play of the fellows you're caddying for.

Remember that "Silence is Golden".

Speak when spoken to.

Be attentive, hawk eyed, polite and you'll do just fine.

[Voytek Wilczak]

Jordan,

I haven't read any of the responses, but, my advice would be to learn the golf course inside out.  Know the yardages, the breaks in the green and then, learn to assess the play of the fellows you're caddying for.

Remember that "Silence is Golden".

Speak when spoken to.

Be attentive, hawk eyed, polite and you'll do just fine.

Jordan - I think you'll be able to get from this thread the things you need to know in order to caddy well.

But there is an intangible. You love the game, you love the architecture.

You don't need to talk about it, and you shouldn't.

It will come out in the vibe you project.

If members feel that you are THE caddie who truly loves the game, they will ask for you when they play their next round.

[Bill Gayne]

I don't know if it's been suggested yet but get out and see the pin placements before the loop. This may require being there early in the morning. (note: I've never caddied before but an excellent Irish caddy I had would do this to know the exact location of pins on blind shots. Maybe roll a few balls with your hand around the pins.)

[Jordan Wall]

I just got back from my 'caddy training', with my friend, who is also caddying.

Much to my surprise, of the eleven kids there, my buddy and I were the only one's who knew what a green, fairway, and a hazard was (actually a tee box too).  We were completely shocked, to be honest.  The course was the coolest I have ever seen.  I hope to have caddying give me a whole new perspective on golf courses, and how to study them.

My friend and I have read through all these tips and they have all sincerey been great.

Jes II, that was a good one.

Any more tips would by great!!!

For instance, was there ever a time where a caddy did smething really great or was really good that made you want to have him/her on your bag again (besides Sasha)??

Kyle:

For an English project a couple months ago I read one of the greatest caddy books ever, about Tom Watson's caddy Bruce Edwards (I think that name is right).  Amazing book.

[Bill_McBride]

Bill, I guess it really depends on what the going rate is for a loop.  Many clubs set it low and depend on the members tipping for above average service to provide a fair compensation.  At least that's been my experience.  If you didn't tip a CPC caddy you probably wouldn't be invited back after the grapevine kicked in.

[Mike Nuzzo]

Huck,

I hear what your saying.

Cool.  I figured we'd be on the same page.  
 

Huck, I didn't hear Ian say y'all were on the same page...  

I caddied for a couple years...
Turn in tournament cheaters to the head pro.
Don't try to be the best - be yourself - if yourself is great, even better.

[Voytek Wilczak]

Sorry - could not resist. Below is the ultimate treatise on tipping...

Quentin Tarantino, Reservoir Dogs:



    Everybody whips out a buck, and throws it on the table.
    Everybody, that is, except Mr. White.

NICE GUY EDDIE
C'mon, throw in a buck.

MR. WHITE
Uh-uh. I don't tip.

NICE GUY EDDIE
Whaddaya mean you don't tip?

MR. WHITE
I don't believe in it.

NICE GUY EDDIE
You don't believe in tipping?

MR. PINK
(laughing)
I love this kid, he's a madman,
this guy.

MR. BLONDE
Do you have any idea what these
ladies make? They make shit.

MR. WHITE
Don't give me that. She don't
make enough money, she can quit.

    Everybody laughs.

NICE GUY EDDIE
I don't even know a Jew who'd have
the balls to say that. So let's
get this straight. You never ever
tip?

MR. WHITE
I don't tip because society says I
gotta. I tip when somebody
deserves a tip. When somebody
really puts forth an effort, they
deserve a little something extra.
But this tipping automatically,
that shit's for the birds. As far
as I'm concerned, they're just
doin their job.

MR. BLUE
Our girl was nice.

MR. WHITE
Our girl was okay. She didn't do
anything special.

MR. BLONDE
What's something special, take ya
in the kitchen and suck your dick?

    They all laugh.

NICE GUY EDDIE
I'd go over twelve percent for
that.

MR. WRITE
Look, I ordered coffee. Now we've
been here a long fuckin time, and
she's only filled my cup three
times. When I order coffee, I
want it filled six times.

MR. BLONDE
What if she's too busy?

MR. WHITE
The words "too busy" shouldn't be
in a waitress's vocabulary.

NICE GUY EDDIE
Excuse me, Mr. White, but the last
thing you need is another cup of
coffee.

    They all laugh.

MR. WHITE
These ladies aren't starvin to
death. They make minimum wage.
When I worked for minimum wage, I
wasn't lucky enough to have a job
that society deemed tipworthy.

NICE GUY EDDIE
Ahh, now we're getting down to it.
It's not just that he's a cheap
bastard--

MR. ORANGE
--It is that too--

NICE GUY EDDIE
--It is that too. But it's also
he couldn't get a waiter job. You
talk like a pissed off dishwasher:
"Fuck those cunts and their
fucking tips."

MR. BLONDE
So you don't care that they're
counting on your tip to live?

    Mr. White rubs two of his fingers together.

MR. WHITE
Do you know what this is? It's
the world's smallest violin,
playing just for the waitresses.

MR. BLONDE
You don't have any idea what
you're talking about. These
people bust their ass. This
is a hard job.

MR. WHITE
So's working at McDonald's, but
you don't feel the need to tip
them. They're servin ya food, you
should tip em. But no, society
says tip these guys over here, but
not those guys over there. That's
bullshit.

MR. ORANGE
They work harder than the kids at
McDonald's.

MR. WHITE
Oh yeah, I don't see them cleaning
fryers.

MR. BROWN
These people are taxed on the tips
they make. When you stiff 'em,
you cost them money.

MR. BLONDE
Waitressing is the number one
occupation for female non-college
graduates in this country. It's
the one jab basically any woman
can get, and make a living on.
The reason is because of tips.

MR. WHITE
Fuck all that.

    They all laugh.

MR. WHITE
Hey, I'm very sorry that the
government taxes their tips.
That's fucked up. But that ain't
my fault. it would appear that
waitresses are just one of the
many groups the government fucks
in the ass on a regular basis.
You show me a paper says the
government shouldn't do that, I'll
sign it. Put it to a vote, I'll
vote for it. But what I won't do
is play ball. And this non-
college bullshit you're telling
me, I got two words for that:
"Learn to fuckin type." Cause if
you're expecting me to help out
with the rent, you're in for a big
fuckin surprise.

MR. ORANGE
He's convinced me. Give me my
dollar back.

    Everybody laughs. Joe's comes back to the table.

JOE
Okay ramblers, let's get to
rambling. Wait a minute, who
didn't throw in?

MR. ORANGE
Mr. White.

JOE
(to Mr. Orange)
Mr. White?
(to Mr. White)
Why?

MR. ORANGE
He don't tip.

JOE
(to Mr. Orange)
He don't tip?
(to Mr. White)
You don't tip? Why?

MR. ORANGE
He don't believe in it.

JOE
(to Mr. Orange)
He don't believe in it?
(to Mr. White)
You don't believe in it?

MR. ORANGE
Nope.

JOE
(to Mr. Orange)
Shut up!
(to Mr. White)
Cough up the buck, ya cheap
bastard, I paid for your goddamn
breakfast.

MR. WHITE
Because you paid for the
breakfast, I'm gonna tip.
Normally I wouldn't.

JOE
Whatever. Just throw in your
dollar, and let's move.

[Jordan Wall]

My first round went really, really well.

I actually got paired up with my best friend which was really cool.

We got to caddy for some of the coolest people in the world.  Though we did hardly any talking, which for us was weird, we both got invited to caddy again for our players.  It was great fun and your tips really helped out a lot.  Thanks.

I will be caddying a lot mor now!!

[Tim Bert]

I decided to go to a random page of posts (I chose 150) and I found this.

I just realized that I hadn't noticed, but what in the heck ever happened to Jordan Wall on this site???

Did his interest in this site evaporate suddenly?

[Tom Roewer]

Don't wear the pink shirt!!!!!!!

[archie_struthers]

   


JES and his three rules are real good!  Live them.


now for some advanced training

Never, NEVERRRRRRRRRRRRRR give or suggest a club

take it from one who knows better


give the yardage , the wind , uphill, downhill but don't pick the club or suggest it , ever!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

even when you are the best caddy on the grounds, just give the yardage.......trust me on this



suggestion #2  


follow suggestion #1

[Bill Shamleffer]

I decided to go to a random page of posts (I chose 150) and I found this.

I just realized that I hadn't noticed, but what in the heck ever happened to Jordan Wall on this site???

Did his interest in this site evaporate suddenly?

The guess is that he may have been spending too much time on GCA and not enough time on other "more important" endeavors.  I would not be surprised if he occasionally lurks and maybe will be posting again during summer break.  This is just a guess, and not based on any first-hand knowledge.

[Bob_Huntley]

Was he sent to Coventry?

Bob

[peter_p]

His name no longer on the participant list. 'Tis a shame, he was going to caddy for me next month unless there was a conflict with the King's Putter.

[michael j fay]

Jordan:

Under no circumstances should you play cards, dice or any other gambling endeavor with the other caddies or you will soon be separated from your fee.

[Jim Nugent]

 

Never, NEVERRRRRRRRRRRRRR give or suggest a club

take it from one who knows better

give the yardage , the wind , uphill, downhill but don't pick the club or suggest it , ever!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

even when you are the best caddy on the grounds, just give the yardage.......trust me on this

Speaking from experience, I disagree.  Remember twice suggesting different clubs to players, when they did not ask me.  I was 100% sure I was right, and I was.  Fortunately they followed my advice.  

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