[Mark Leo]

More news from LV.  The Review-Journal reports this morning that the "Ultimate Game", with the richest first prize in golf history(2 million) will be played at the Wynn Country Club in June 2007, and televised on "network television".  The event will be similar to the high stakes game set at Mesquite last year where entrants payed fees of 100 grand and then played off for the money.  It is interesting from a GCA angle since it has long been rumored that the Fazio course is headed for demolition; but obviously not until then.  Also will be major exposure of this course to the public which would have been otherwise been limited to those staying and paying!

[Joel_Stewart]

The course is years away from being torn up.   Wynn still needs to complete his new hotel in Macau and then build the sister hotel Encore next to his existing hotel in Las Vegas.

As for the tournament, I wonder if its a 2 man like the high stakes and really question what network is going to cover it.  In last years high stakes, it mostly made up of really good players who are not on the PGA tour.   Wynn himself has the pull to get some tour players which will give it some serious PR.

[Mark Leo]

Joel,
It appears that it will now be a one person event, open to anyone with no exemption on any pro tour in the past 3 years, but they may make an exception if any LPGA player wants to participate  The executive producer of the tournament is  Terry Jastrow, described as a 7-time Emmy award winning golf produce, formerly at ABC. Wynn Las Vegas president, Andrew Pascal, is quoted in the article that the course will remain "for the foreseeable future".

[Joel_Stewart]

It's been 9 years since this post appeared.


Today I read the Steve Wynn is considering bulldozing the course to create a new arena which would seat 100,000.  He likens the model to Texas stadium.


It was inevitable that the course at the Wynn would last.

[Daniel Jones]

Joel, do you have a link to the article?

[Jonathan Mallard]

Wonder who the main tenant will be?


I think the NFL is already committed to LA.


I'd be curious who else could fill 100,000 seats with what would be presumably a majority transient population.

[Pete_Pittock]

Wonder who the main tenant will be?


I think the NFL is already committed to LA.


I'd be curious who else could fill 100,000 seats with what would be presumably a majority transient population.

I be amazed if the NFL moved a franchise to Nevada. It could host a major bowl game and inter-conference early season college football. It would certainly benefit UNLV if it became the major tenant. Mega band tour music.
Soccer games. A major meld of entertainment and sports.

[Eric Smith]

Can you imagine looking out the window from the 50th or 60th floor of the Encore and seeing INSIDE the stadium?! I stayed there last week and had an awesome view of the course but it was cold (windy and low 40's) and no one was playing golf.

[Steve_ Shaffer]

This article does not mention Wynn but...who else has the space behind?


http://lasvegassun.com/vegasdeluxe/2016/jan/04/new-100000-seat-arena-las-vegas-strip-crazy-girls-/?_ga=1.204349911.696844005.1451948697

[Kalen Braley]

Pete P,

Why couldn't a NFL team move there?  Curious to know...

[Pete_Pittock]

Pete P,

Why couldn't a NFL team move there?  Curious to know...

Here's on answer: http://lasvegas.cbslocal.com/2014/07/23/4-reasons-why-las-vegas-will-never-get-a-professional-franchise/
No native, local base
Ownership getting too close to  gambling
Read up on the NBA All-Star game held there.

[Ronald Montesano]

Interesting now that three NFL teams have filed for relocation, and only two max can occupy an East-Rutherford-West stadium in Orange county (or wherever.) Might the third wind up in the desert?


No golf course architects filed for relocation. No plans for a stadium on the course are in the works, correct?

[Steve_ Shaffer]

Any plans for a stadium to replace WynnGolfCourse are a rumor...unless and until  someone can find a quote by Steve Wynn.


In the meantime, the San Diego Chargers are the favorite to move up the coast. As usual, all 3 teams that have filed are desirous of  new stadiums are have met with resistance from their local governments:


http://sports.yahoo.com/blogs/nfl-shutdown-corner/chargers--raiders--rams-all-file-l-a--relocation-applications-040719510.html

[Mark Kiely]

It was coincidental this thread was brought back to life yesterday. I read it yesterday, and then last night I caught the tail end of a golf movie on Golf Channel called "The Squeeze" that was shot on the Wynn golf course and written and directed by Terry Jastrow.

[Kalen Braley]

Pete P,

Why couldn't a NFL team move there?  Curious to know...

Here's on answer: http://lasvegas.cbslocal.com/2014/07/23/4-reasons-why-las-vegas-will-never-get-a-professional-franchise/
No native, local base
Ownership getting too close to  gambling
Read up on the NBA All-Star game held there.

Peter, interesting article, but I find it far from convincing.

1)  While many people are "new" to Vegas, the surrounding area is over 2 million strong, so I doubt they would have trouble finding 60-70K locals to fill up a stadium.  But then again, they wouldn't need to fill it up on their own.

Imagine your team is now playing a road game...in Vegas.  They would have no trouble filling up a stadium with oodles of fans from opposing teams showing up as they get the game and a Vegas trip rolled up into one.

2)  I don't buy the gambling argument one bit.  Gambling happens in every major city in the US.  At work, amongst friends, among co-workers.  Nothing new here, especially in the Internet era where one can do it all online...

As for the appearance of being influenced by gambling... shady broody looking characters exist in every city across America and anyone can be influenced to swing a line or throw a game.  Once again, nothing new.

3)  As for the All-Star game, I don't think one data point is enough to show an actual problem exists.  They play all types of college sports in Vegas, including the Vegas Bowl. As well as it regularly hosts world class level boxing and UFC events, in addition to countless conventions.  One bad weekend doesn't a spoiled apple make.

To boot shenanigans happen in every major city across America. Think Atlanta and a certain ex-Raven.  I guess Atlanta has to get rid of the Falcons now.    http://nypost.com/2013/01/27/inside-tale-of-ray-lewis-parking-lot-brawl-homicide-case/

[Sam Morrow]

They would do a hole in the roof like Texas Stadium?

[John McCarthy]

Seeing as how the NFL is in bed with draftkings and the ilk, the gambling issue has kinda gone away. 

Also, the NBA all-star game is sui generis.  It attracts a crowd that has little to do with the game itself and has caused problems in other cities.

[Steve_ Shaffer]

John,


The NFL is not in bed with the Fantasy Sports and Draft Kings of the world although Jerry Jones and Robert Kraft, as individuals, are as investors. Nevertheless, Las Vegas has the same problems as London, a possible NFL expansion location, does with legal gambling. The problem in London has been solved somewhat by removing stadium ads or not showing on TV ads in Wembley Stadium from those companies in London since the NFL plays games there annually and will play more when the new stadium at White Hart Lane opens in a few years.
One or two of the three teams will wind up in L  A  before London or Las Vegas or Mexico City gets an expansion franchise.

[Kalen Braley]

John,


The NFL is not in bed with the Fantasy Sports and Draft Kings of the world although Jerry Jones and Robert Kraft, as individuals, are as investors. Nevertheless, Las Vegas has the same problems as London, a possible NFL expansion location, does with legal gambling. The problem in London has been solved somewhat by removing stadium ads or not showing on TV ads in Wembley Stadium from those companies in London since the NFL plays games there annually and will play more when the new stadium at White Hart Lane opens in a few years.
One or two of the three teams will wind up in L  A  before London or Las Vegas or Mexico City gets an expansion franchise.

Steve,

You don't really believe this...

"The NFL is not in bed with the Fantasy Sports and Draft Kings of the world"

NFL rules were specifically changed a few years back as they concern reporting injuries and otherwise for the upcoming week for this reason alone.  The NFL makes huge amounts of indirect money from sports betting...

[Steve_ Shaffer]

Kalen,


 Fan Duel  and others are NOT team result orientated. That's real gambling.


http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2015/10/25/nfl-has-no-qualms-about-playing-in-london-despite-the-gambling/

[Kalen Braley]

Kalen,


 Fan Duel  and others are NOT team result orientated. That's real gambling.


http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2015/10/25/nfl-has-no-qualms-about-playing-in-london-despite-the-gambling/

Steve,

I'm a bit confused, fantasy teams are player oriented...in that different players are assembled from different teams to create virtual teams.

So in this case, the health of a player and knowing his injuries is critical to weekly success and who will "start" for your team that week.... and this is what the NFL caved in on and actually made rules that real NFL teams must disclose individual injuries as well as likelihood of playing in the next weeks games.  It was all done for fantasy team owners, not actual NFL opponents.

The NFL is totally a complicit player in this activity.

[Steve_ Shaffer]

But fantasy is not team oriented like in Eagles v. Seahawks. The NFL will allow all gambling if and when they get a piece of the action for allowing use of their and their teams' logos which are intellectual property. Same for MLB & NHL. I don't know how it's done in European Football( soccer) but it's a big legal business and it's taxed. 

[Kalen Braley]

But fantasy is not team oriented like in Eagles v. Seahawks. The NFL will allow all gambling if and when they get a piece of the action for allowing use of their and their teams' logos which are intellectual property. Same for MLB & NHL. I don't know how it's done in European Football( soccer) but it's a big legal business and it's taxed.

Steve,

That's my point, and perhaps we're both saying the same thing here.  But the NFL gets revenue off either sites that use their logos or by companies paying for ad space on their page.

And that was my only point from earlier today when you said  "The NFL is not in bed with the Fantasy Sports ".  The NFL is in fact neked and in bed with these sites as they make money for the NFL thru advertising and licensing.

Look at the NFLs own site...  Its a fantasy extravaganza!!

http://www.nfl.com/fantasyfootball

[Steve_ Shaffer]

The question remains whether fantasy football, etc is gambling so that states can regulate and tax it. In the meantime, the lawyers' meters will be running. 

[Greg Clark]

Kalen, you are correct that the NFL prospers indirectly from gambling on NFL games, and their rules on reporting injuries are related to gambling.  And yes, they are hypocritical on this issue in regards to not allowing a team to be located in Vegas.  However, it is THE reason LV does not have a team.  Nothing complicated about it.

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