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mike_malone

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Are straight holes more difficult to design than doglegs?
« on: February 23, 2006, 04:55:53 PM »
    I was thinking about this today. I define "straight" as a hole where the green is straight ahead from the tee.

   I have been grappling with some fellow members' desire to plant trees parallel to the fairway on a straight hole. I think this reduces the options available to create interest on the hole.


   Is a dogleg easier to design because the turn reduces your creativity but on that straight hole you can pretty much do whatever you want?
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Jfaspen

Re:Are straight holes more difficult to design then doglegs?
« Reply #1 on: February 23, 2006, 04:57:12 PM »
Parsing words, but I think they are more difficult to make creative and interesting..  
An architect must rely on bunker placement and the natural contours of the fairway/green combined with the length of the hole to dictate strategy.

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Kelly Blake Moran

Re:Are straight holes more difficult to design than doglegs?
« Reply #2 on: February 23, 2006, 05:04:36 PM »
Every hole is a straight hole Mayday, something man made or natural just gets in the way every once in awhile
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Andy Scanlon

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Re:Are straight holes more difficult to design than doglegs?
« Reply #3 on: February 23, 2006, 05:12:28 PM »
Quote from: mayday_malone on February 23, 2006, 04:55:53 PM
   I was thinking about this today. I define "straight" as a hole where the green is straight ahead from the tee.

   I have been grappling with some fellow members' desire to plant trees parallel to the fairway on a straight hole. I think this reduces the options available to create interest on the hole.


   Is a dogleg easier to design because the turn reduces your creativity but on that straight hole you can pretty much do whatever you want?

Mayday:

We just start to take steps in the right direction with our tree removal and members are already talking about planting more trees?  Good Heavens.
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All architects will be a lot more comfortable when the powers that be in golf finally solve the ball problem. If the distance to be gotten with the ball continues to increase, it will be necessary to go to 7,500 and even 8000 yard courses.  
- William Flynn, golf architect, 1927

Joe Hancock

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Re:Are straight holes more difficult to design than doglegs?
« Reply #4 on: February 23, 2006, 05:15:12 PM »
Mayday,

Tell him the hole is straight only if the ground is flat. That'll keep him busy long enough for you to mow the fairways wider so his errant shots will be somewhere he has never been..... ;D

Joe
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mike_malone

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Re:Are straight holes more difficult to design than doglegs?
« Reply #5 on: February 23, 2006, 05:20:32 PM »
 Andy,


    I am sorry to report that they are considering replacing the evergreens just taken down on #4 with hardwoods. I am working to have them plant them where the Flynn design shows some--- 290 yards from the tee and 40 yards from the center of the fairway. This would be farther up the hill and affect the seriously missed shot to the right rather than the just missed shot as was true up until a week ago.
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Andy Scanlon

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Re:Are straight holes more difficult to design than doglegs?
« Reply #6 on: February 23, 2006, 05:31:19 PM »
Quote from: mayday_malone on February 23, 2006, 05:20:32 PM
Andy,


    I am sorry to report that they are considering replacing the evergreens just taken down on #4 with hardwoods. I am working to have them plant them where the Flynn design shows some--- 290 yards from the tee and 40 yards from the center of the fairway. This would be farther up the hill and affect the seriously missed shot to the right rather than the just missed shot as was true up until a week ago.

Then why take down the evergreens in the first place?  Did they want to see if Charlie's new chainsaw worked ok?

Seriously, I'd like to see how #4 plays for a season without the evergreens before any replacement trees are planted.  
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All architects will be a lot more comfortable when the powers that be in golf finally solve the ball problem. If the distance to be gotten with the ball continues to increase, it will be necessary to go to 7,500 and even 8000 yard courses.  
- William Flynn, golf architect, 1927

Forrest Richardson

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Re:Are straight holes more difficult to design than doglegs?
« Reply #7 on: February 23, 2006, 08:49:58 PM »
No.
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