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Mark_F

How Do Architects Improve Their Weaknesses?
« on: February 02, 2006, 02:26:53 AM »
I would imagine this to be quite difficult, for several reasons, not least because of the inevitable compromises inherent in a project, but surely designers, as artists, wish there was something they could do better?  

Do they often revisit old designs and ruminate?

Do they take note and think about critics' opinions? Members? Co-workers and other colleagues?

Travel and see other courses and realise something could have been done better on a recent job?




Jerry Lemons

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Re:How Do Architects Improve Their Weaknesses?
« Reply #1 on: February 02, 2006, 08:34:22 AM »
I would imagine this to be quite difficult, for several reasons, not least because of the inevitable compromises inherent in a project, but surely designers, as artists, wish there was something they could do better?  

Do they often revisit old designs and ruminate?

Do they take note and think about critics' opinions? Members? Co-workers and other colleagues?

Travel and see other courses and realise something could have been done better on a recent job?




I think we all can find ways to learn and improve every aspect of our design skills. Some GCA's are better bunker designers than others. This is always a challenge to make the bunkers look great and still be maintainable. I spend more time now on bunkers and how they look than every before.

I often go back and see old course and see things I could have improved upon . Look at Ross and McKenzie. They would still be tinkering with Pinehurst and Pasatiempo still today.

Most of us (I think) have an ear for critics and colleagues. We find most comments helpful. We know when a hole has gone wrong. You can feel the hair stand up on your neck when you speak with folks that play the course. What looks good on paper sometimes is horrible after it opens.

One of the greatest parts of being in the business is the opportnity to see so many great courses and incorperate others ideas into your own courses. (Is'nt that what many of the greatest GCAs did by copying great holes of the Britsh Isle?)
« Last Edit: February 02, 2006, 08:46:04 AM by Jerry Lemons »
Times flys and your the pilot !

Patrick_Mucci

Re:How Do Architects Improve Their Weaknesses?
« Reply #2 on: February 02, 2006, 08:52:36 AM »
Mark,

First, they have to recognize them.

Second, they have to acknowledge them.

Third, they have to work on them.

BCrosby

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Re:How Do Architects Improve Their Weaknesses?
« Reply #3 on: February 02, 2006, 09:13:48 AM »
Most all architects evolve to one degree or another. But I'm not sure many evolve because they are trying to fix their "weaknesses".

The last six years of MacK's career ('26 - '32) were certainly much stronger than his prior years. Was he "improving weaknesses" or did he just get better? I don't know how you would ever know.

MacK's courses seemed to ascend to another level after he did his map of TOC. It would be fun to speculate about what that exercise taught him about "weaknesses" in his work up to that time and the ramp up in quality thereafter.

Or whether something else entirely was going on.

Bob
« Last Edit: February 02, 2006, 09:31:50 AM by BCrosby »

Jeff_Brauer

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Re:How Do Architects Improve Their Weaknesses?
« Reply #4 on: February 02, 2006, 09:42:06 AM »
I would imagine this to be quite difficult, for several reasons, not least because of the inevitable compromises inherent in a project, but surely designers, as artists, wish there was something they could do better?  

Do they often revisit old designs and ruminate?

Do they take note and think about critics' opinions? Members? Co-workers and other colleagues?

Travel and see other courses and realise something could have been done better on a recent job?


Weaknesses?  Hmm, I'll have to think about how my fondness for chocolate affects my design. ;)  Seriously,:

1.  Not often, but I do think about what I might have done with a mulligan from time to time.....

2.  Yes, including the magazine panelists, good players, women, and even Golf Club Atlas.....its a wonder I am not too confused, or have time to do anything with all the critics out there!

3.  I constantly study courses I haven't seen before, including two this week. I know Tom Doak thinks that only the Scottish courses and classics can teach us something useful, but I wasn't in the neighborhood of Scotland this week, so I opted for what I could see......

It does amaze me just how often some gca's just do the same thing over and over, even when they see so much better stuff out there to emulate.  One of the courses I visited this week has been characterized as a "typical course by gca "X" on a spectacular site."  It did seem as if it might have been a career maker had he done something a bit more than his usual.

Based on all three above, I do think I have some over-recurring trends, if not weaknesses, that I would like to break out of - hence the desire to look at as many other courses as possible to see the variety of design ideas out there.

Overall, I tend to think of my weaknesses in terms of sales ability to get good projects and forcefulness to get the budget (or best property, etc.) to do what I need to showcase my skills and do what I know is really, really, right.  
Jeff Brauer, ASGCA Director of Outreach

Jerry Lemons

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Re:How Do Architects Improve Their Weaknesses?
« Reply #5 on: February 02, 2006, 12:08:32 PM »

Jeff FYI we did get that lake built on #5 at Springhouse this last year. The large waste bunker is gone and it improved the hole.

We added a bulkhead to the bunker on the right of 6 green too and rebuilt the small putter by the range. I think you would be happy with the changes.

Jerry

« Last Edit: February 02, 2006, 12:10:49 PM by Jerry Lemons »
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