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Steve_ Shaffer

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Blackstone CC(Engh)- Peoria, AZ
« on: December 16, 2005, 08:49:33 AM »
From today's Arizona Republic:

Has anyone played there yet? I stopped by and took a mini  tour during my recent AZ trip but didn't have time to play. From what I saw, this course has a good look to it. Of course, the houses have yet to be built.

www.blackstonecountryclub.com


West Valley hits upscale ace
Blackstone opens golf's next 'hotbed'

John Davis
The Arizona Republic
Dec. 14, 2005 12:00 AM

Golf development is expected to boom in the West Valley over the next decade, and already it is beginning to take shape.

One more sign of what's ahead came last week when Blackstone Country Club at Vistancia opened in Peoria.

The course, designed by award-winning architect James Engh, is part of a gated, private country club that will include swimming pools, tennis courts, private cabanas and fine dining when it is completed, making it the first country club of its kind in the Northwest Valley.
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The Hacienda, a 30,000-square-foot clubhouse, designed by acclaimed architect Bing Hu, is scheduled for completion in October.

With those amenities, Blackstone plans to offer the kind of experience found at Scottsdale's private clubs.

"What we wanted to do is offer a high-end alternative in the West Valley and provide something that is missing in a growing area," said John Graham, president of Sunbelt Holdings, which partnered with Shea Homes in the Blackstone project.

"There's no question that the West Valley is going to be the next hotbed of golf development."

Those who become golf club members at Blackstone will find a superbly designed course named for the volcanic rock indigenous to the area.

Although it has a desert setting, Engh draws much of his design inspiration from Irish links courses and that comes through loud and clear with the bunkering, mounding and rolling fairways that make Blackstone a delight to play.

"Most definitely it has an Irish feel," Engh said. "I am a huge fan of Irish golf courses and there are ways to make it work very well in a desert setting. In a lot of cases there seems to be a book on how a course should be designed to fit a certain area and I don't agree with that.

"There are design challenges, but those challenges invite some interesting concepts. To me, the most fun thing in golf is to hit a shot you've never hit before, so we need to think outside the box a little bit in terms of design."

Engh was named Golf Digest's first Architect of the Year in 2003.

Four times his courses have been named No. 1 on the magazine's list of "America's Best New Courses" and he is the only architect to achieve that honor three straight years. Included in his designs are the Club at Blackrock in Coeur d'Alene, Idaho, and Fossil Trace in Golden, Colo.

His Blackstone course is his first in Arizona and takes advantage of natural features such as valleys, arroyos, ridges, dry washes and rock outcroppings, blending them with deep bunkers and rolling fairways.

It has the nuances and semi-blind shots that lend themselves to home-course knowledge, but the mounding also produces "member bounces," especially around the greens, that make it a fun and player-friendly layout with plenty of options on approach shots.

Engh's favorite hole, not surprisingly, is the par-5 ninth, which plays at 555 yards from the tips to an awe-inspiring green. The green is set on a sharp right angle to the fairway, where golfers must stay clear of an arroyo running along the right side and crossing in front of a shallow, elevated green that sits in a natural amphitheater with vertical rock faces on three sides.

"That is an example of a hole where we had to move a considerable amount of dirt in order to take advantage of the natural setting of the green," Engh said.

"I think it's a very different, very challenging and at the same time a very fun hole to play."

The Vistancia master plan calls for two more private courses. A public course, Trilogy at Vistancia, opened last year.

« Last Edit: December 16, 2005, 08:50:13 AM by Steve_ Shaffer »
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Jay Flemma

Re:Blackstone CC(Engh)- Peoria, AZ
« Reply #1 on: December 16, 2005, 01:28:34 PM »
I'll be there over the New Years Holiday...let you know when I return.

Matt_Ward

Re:Blackstone CC(Engh)- Peoria, AZ
« Reply #2 on: December 16, 2005, 04:19:57 PM »
Steve:

Can you describe the nature of the property?

Is it especially hilly like Quintero or more sedate in comparable terms to The Raven at Verrado?

Thanks ...

P.S. The two additional private courses -- do you know who is designing them?

I hope to play there sometime in the spring.

Steve_ Shaffer

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Re:Blackstone CC(Engh)- Peoria, AZ
« Reply #3 on: December 16, 2005, 05:29:06 PM »
Matt

The property is unlike Quintero. There is very little elevation change but there are mountain views. As Davis writes, " Blackstone course is his first in Arizona and takes advantage of natural features such as valleys, arroyos, ridges, dry washes and rock outcroppings, blending them with deep bunkers and rolling fairways." I did see a lot of rolling fairways and a double dogleg par5. As usual with Engh, I suspect the par5s will be strong.There are some pics on the club's website.

I think the other 2 courses at Vistancia(architects unknown) are a few years away unless Blackstone is a big hit and sells out fast. The second course at Verrado is on hold- they can't build houses fast enough there. The first course at Sun City Festival(Schmidt-Curley) may open in the spring. There is a new course(Brad Bartell? is listed) opening soon at Robson Ranch near Casa Grande.

When you visit AZ, try and play Forrest Richardson's work at Wigwam Gold. I did and was very impressed.

Steve
« Last Edit: December 16, 2005, 05:47:49 PM by Steve_ Shaffer »
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Matt_Ward

Re:Blackstone CC(Engh)- Peoria, AZ
« Reply #4 on: December 16, 2005, 06:25:30 PM »
Steve:

Thanks for the info.

Be curious to your comments on The Raven at Verrado. I liked it very much and believe it's well done by the Fought / Lehman duo -- frankly -- I see it even-up with their work at The Galery (South).

Is Blackstone quite wide to accentuate playing angles into the putting surfaces. One other thing -- from the greens you saw how complex were the internal contours?


Steve_ Shaffer

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Re:Blackstone CC(Engh)- Peoria, AZ
« Reply #5 on: December 16, 2005, 06:50:47 PM »
Matt

Blackstone's fairways were wide enough and the greens had character. I compare the course to Pradera.

I played Raven at Verrado last year and was very impressed. Of course, there are more houses now. I'd say it's one of the better public courses in PHX area. Great clubhouse,too.

Steve
"Some of us worship in churches, some in synagogues, some on golf courses ... "  Adlai Stevenson
Hyman Roth to Michael Corleone: "We're bigger than US Steel."
Ben Hogan “The most important shot in golf is the next one”

Jeff Shelman

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Re:Blackstone CC(Engh)- Peoria, AZ
« Reply #6 on: December 16, 2005, 08:08:13 PM »
I may try to stop at Blackstone and take a look when I'm in PHX at Christmas. My parents live at Sun City Grand and the Trilogy at Vistancia course (same area as Blackstone) is pretty good.

I have also played Raven at Verrado and the now open Wigwam Gold. Liked both.

Jay Flemma

Re:Blackstone CC(Engh)- Peoria, AZ
« Reply #7 on: December 18, 2005, 12:03:49 AM »
Steve...you're right, Engh makes fantastic par-5s.  And idn't Pradera something special?  I love the par-5s there, especially 7 and 18.

Another favorite is 10.

What did you see at Blacksone that was like Pradera?  Any holes like 10?  You know...short risk reward par-4 w/ lots of angles AND lots of shaved chipping areas and countours greenside?

How bout muscle bunkers?  Lots?  How deep?

Steve_ Shaffer

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Re:Blackstone CC(Engh)- Peoria, AZ
« Reply #8 on: December 18, 2005, 07:37:10 AM »
Jay

I didn't play the course. I took a brief(less than 10 minutes) mini tour by myself without a routing. I do know that the course has 5 par 5s and 5 par 3s. My impression was that it looked similar to Pradera. I look forward to your report. I won't be returning to AZ until March or April.

A friend recently played there. Here are his comments:

"...just played Blackstone today ...very interesting greensites   with great short game interest due to the backboards, sideboards, etc...not a dramatic course aesthically but gently rolling with no weak holes...with 5 par 5s and 5 par 3s, a lot of fun with plently of chances to score coupled with some very tough par 4s..."

Steve
« Last Edit: December 18, 2005, 07:43:50 AM by Steve_ Shaffer »
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Matt_Ward

Re:Blackstone CC(Engh)- Peoria, AZ
« Reply #9 on: December 18, 2005, 01:37:19 PM »
Steve:

One of the tendencies from Jim Engh is the desire to have a combo of five par-5's and five par-3's. It's meant to spice up the layout from the standpoint of the average player.

No doubt Engh designs some of the most unique and fun par-5's I have played from the modern designers one sees today.

I would just hope that this "formula" is not cemented in terms of its application with all other future designs.

P.S. It worked quite well at Pradera -- agree on the qualities of #7 and #18 but would like to see him putting forward efforts with par-4's like the 2nd and 11th at Pradera which are both challenging and fun.

Steve_ Shaffer

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Re:Blackstone CC(Engh)- Peoria, AZ
« Reply #10 on: December 18, 2005, 02:13:09 PM »
Matt

Those of us who have seen and like Engh's work look forward to reports of actual playing experiences(hopefully mine) at Blackstone and the new course at Reynolds Plantation.

Steve
"Some of us worship in churches, some in synagogues, some on golf courses ... "  Adlai Stevenson
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