[RSLivingston_III]

Just got back and thought I would share a few photos.
I hope these first two give a better idea of the 18th and the contouring of the funnel.





Anyone else feel like this hole has some similarity to the fourth at Cruden Bay?

[Sean_A]

Ralph

Despite Matt's protests, this funnel looks very reasonable to me.  Still can't figure out his complaint.  

The comparison to the 4th a Cruden is pretty good, though this hole looks far more penal for the wayward shot.  It looks like that bunker short right is a life saver if you come up short!

Thanks for the photos!

Ciao

Sean

[Matt_Ward]

Sean:

I really appreciate your keen insight on how "reasonable" something can be when you have NEVER -- repeat the last word after me -- NEVER -- played the hole in question.

It's pointless to try to explain something to someone when you throw forward such a silly and frankly ignorant assessment of my take when you have never played the hole in question. The room available in the fairway "choke point" comes down to no more than 20 maximum paces and the high grass to the sides does prevent a serious recovery should one land in those areas -- in addition the tee shot is 100% blind which further complicates matters.

My points on this hole have been explained numerous times and unlike Brian who posted a counter-position to mine -- someone who has played the hole far more than I -- you simply chime in from across the pond with your insightful analysis and critique on what it is I personally witnessed and if what I have said is reasonable.

Pictures are marvelous things -- however -- being there trumps the photo(s) everytime. I would hope you would know this -- being the smart fellow you are -- of course -- I'm assuming you know that and are a smart fellow too.

Please don't lead me to believe I'm wrong on both accounts.

[Paul_Turner]

How much do the contours funnel the ball back. How wide can you hit it and still come back to the fairway?

3rd at C Bay.

[RSLivingston_III]

Paul- I was refering to the third photo of the par 3 (6th), but the 18th does resemble the funneling on the third at Cruden Bay. Good call.

The contours funnel all the shots, except for the very long and offline, down into the area where you see the players in the first photo. If you hit a very long driver and keep it within 20 yards of center you can be down to the 150 yard marker. The longer guys hitting fairway woods or long Irons could still be a fair way off line and still end up down at the bottom of the slope. The only shot I saw into the stuff was a long slice with a driver and I played four rounds with members and visitors of all lengths. I saw a driver shot well inside the 150 and Iron shots back around 190 into the green. The tee shot is, as they say, only blind the first time you play it.
IMHO-One trip around this course is almost a waste of time.

[Dan_Lucas]

Friday we played the back tees. My partner, who hits a draw, hit one straight about 30-40 yards right of center. I then pulled one about 30 yards left of center. They both ended up about 190 out in the middle of the fairway. 60-70 yards is a lot of forgiveness.

In the matches we played the next set of tees up. I hit a four wood on the left hillside Sat. Too much club if you don't hit it straight. The "choke point" is 25 -30 yards wide (US Open FW width) perfectly in line with the green which you CAN see. Second day I hit four iron to the 190 mark. Match was over so two in our group hit driver to the 150 mark. Taking the right club for your skill level makes the choke point a non-factor. If you want to go for it, just hit it straight.

The green site is almost startling in it's lack of hazards after the wild ride over the other 17 holes. Wide open with FW cut all around it. I found the lack of reference points a cool change of pace. It made the approach shot much harder to judge and the green contour made the pitch shot a tough decision. You could pitch with anything from driver to sand wedge. I thought the hole was great fun and the course an incredible ride.

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