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Billsteele

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Last Wednesday, I played Shaker Run, the site of this week's Public Links Championship. Shaker Run is an Arthur Hills design originally opened in 1979 as a private course for Armco Steel. In 1994, it was sold and became a public course.
    The design itself is representative of Hills' prolific but stunningly average portfolio of courses. There are some terrific holes, some boring holes and an overall feeling that this terrific piece of property could have produced a truly outstanding golf course, rather than the solid one Hills designed. The property itself alternates between open meadow (site of the 1st and 8th hole), heavily treed rolling parkland (most of the front nine, a few holes on the back) and a lakeside setting. The lake is the site of two reverse image cape holes: one extremely well done (the 18th, a dogleg left over the lake where the fairway narrows considerably the closer one gets to the green), the other fairly average (the 9th, a dogleg right over the lake where the fairway ends short of a peninsula green...a direct line to the green is probably between 300 to 320 from the championship tees, so there may be some players who hit driver, but most will hit to a fairly generous fairway with an iron or a fairway metal).
   The green sites are relatively flat and uninteresting. I can only remember one green (the par 3 14th) that had some slope that could challenge the best players. A couple of greens have large trees that could guard pins located toward the rear of these holes. I was told the greens were stimping at 10 to 11 last week and that the USGA would like to see them run between 12 and 13 for the tournament. However, the maintenance staff has a real concern that if the greens are cut too closely they may be severely damaged for the rest of the year.
   The bunkering at Shaker Run is both sparse and uninteresting. There is a stretch of holes between the 2nd and 9th (which includes two par 3's) where there are no fairway bunkers. I recall two holes on the back with no fairway bunkers either. After contesting the tournament at Blue Heron Pines East last year, which is heavily and interestingly bunkered, Shaker Run should have many players salivating off the tee. The bunkers themselves are fairly shallow and flat. They are perfectly groomed, meaning that they should present no problem for players the caliber that the course will see this week. Hills seemed to make a conscious decision in designing this course to let the trees replace bunkers as hazards. There are several fairways where the rough extends five to ten yards out and then a wayward shot hits the hardwoods.
   The rough was cut to about 2 1/1 to 3 inches last week, with an intermediate cut of about one inch. I was told that no further mowing would take place before the championship. The rough is a bit uneven and in some places rather tame. Ohio has had a very dry June and July so lush, penal rough has not come to fruition. In fact, I remember the rough being much more penal when I played the course for the first time in the mid 1990's.
   The fairways themselves were anywhere from 30 to 40 yards wide and cut a bit more closely than usual.
   The course will play to a par of 70 and at a length of 6966 yards. Two par 5's (the 4th and the 13th) have been converted to the now obligatory 485 yard par 4's). I could only see one new tee that had been built (on the 1st, a now 570 yard par 5). The maximum length of the original course was 6953 yards.
   Overall, the set-up that I saw last week was very fair, bordering on benign. If the weather is good, as it has been today, I would not be surprised to see the medalist finish with a 9 or 10 under 131 or 130. If the remnants of the hurricane impact play Tuesday, the scores may go up a bit...or they could soften the course and allow the players to throw darts at the greens.
   One of the more interesting things that I picked up was the staff's fear, almost resignation, that once the tournament is completed, the course may effectively be done for the year. It will still be playable but the greens in particular will take a heavy beating. It makes one wonder whether the prestige in hosting the event is worth the toll it takes on a course that relies on the public, and its belief that the course is well above average in design and conditions, for its revenue.

Tony_Chapman

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If anyone cares, Wie is even through two holes and the course yielded only one subpar round of the morning pairings (a 69 from Sihwan Kim).

As an aside, I am playing Art Hills' Chaska Town Course on Thursday and will be interested to see it. It will be the other qualifying course for the Men's Amateur next year when contested at Hazeltine.

John_Conley

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Chaska Town
« Reply #2 on: July 11, 2005, 03:22:15 PM »
Tony:

I thought Chaska Town was okay, but rather over-hyped.  Minnesota had a dearth of upscale course openings from about 1960 (around when Hazeltine, Dellwood, and Olympic Hills may have started) to 1995.  In between there was the rather pedestrian Braemar, Edinburgh USA, and a few others.  But most of the growth was more in the Sundance and Dahlgreen league.

Modern courses in the Twins were so unheard of that places like Bearpath and Chaska were immediately noteworthy.  It is okay, but I wouldn't get my hopes up too high.


Tony_Chapman

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Thanks John. It looked like a rather good place to play and I wasn't about to try to get on Hazeltine or White Bear Yacht Club if you catch my drift. I'm just up for a decent round of golf on my vacation, a Twins game and the Mall of America. Sounds quite fun, huh?  ::)

Tony_Chapman

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And we thought Hank Kuehne hit it far. Check this out from the mid-day report

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Korey Mahoney, who will be a senior at Eastern Michigan University in the fall, posted three birdies and three bogeys in his round.

“I’m just trying to get a good feel for the course,” said Mahoney. “It’s a tricky course. You have to know where to put it off the tee on some of those holes. I putted really well today.”

Mahoney ripped a 403-yard drive on the 599-yard, par-5 first hole (his ninth of the day), then found the green with a 6-iron and two-putted for one of his three birdies. He knocked his approach to within 3 feet on No. 18 to set up another birdie and he holed a 25-footer on 15 for birdie.


JLahrman

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Bill,

I'm assuming they are playing the original 18 as I believe there is a new 9 holes now?

Is that tree still in the middle of the fairway on the 13th?

noonan

The 3rd hole at Shaker is a goofy hole. You must keep you drive less than 210 yards or so which leaves an approach shot of 160 or so with a 50 foot elevation change. The course is highly overrated.

Billsteele

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JAL-Yes, they are playing the original 18 in its original sequence. For some reason, daily fee players are started on the original back nine (now called the Lakeside nine) and conclude on the original front nine (now called the Woodlands nine). The new nine is not being used for the tournament. It is called the Meadows nine and is a Hurdzan/Fry design. It, unlike the original eighteen, will soon be surrounded by houses (construction is underway). The tree is still in the middle of the 13th fairway. Hills seems to like this design element (if you can call it that). I have played four Hills' designs with trees in the middle of one fairway, all are in Ohio (Shaker Run, Legendary Run, Winding Hollow and Longaberger).

Jerry-I agree with you on the 3rd hole. However, given the length of today's players, it would not surprise me in the match play portion of the event for someone to pull out a driver and try to hit it over the rise in the fairway to the flat area which begins about 70 yards short of the green. In stroke play, it is a lay up tee shot and a short iron downhill.


Scott Stearns

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was at Shaker for the first three days of the tournament.  I'd make a few comments:

1-the dry weather would complicate getting the course set up as tough as, say, Winged Foot for last year's amateur.  the course showed many burned out spots from the dryness.  not sure they couls have grown the rough out a lot

1-the weather forecast going inot the week was incredibly bad--thunderstorms each day.  In the face of that I can understand the desire to start the course out somewhat easier, to avoid the double whammy of a tough course and weather.

3-fairway bunkering on 3-9 would be redundant and cruel, as 2-7 are played through, as one competitor put it, "bowling alleys"  another refered to the 6th as "the gutter in a bowling alley"--EXTREMELY tight, tree and water lined holes.

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