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Mike Hendren

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Architectural Detail Or Folly In The Field?
« on: April 21, 2005, 09:00:16 AM »
I am quite fond of quirky features that appear to have little to no effect on play.  Examples include:

The buried elephant underneath the back right corner of the 17th green at Holston Hills.

The pushed up pot bunker behind the 6th green at The Honors.

Rees' grassed bath-tub short left of the 13th green at MPCC's Dunes Course.

Jack's grassed patio behind the 4th green at Shoal Creek.

Wondering if these were designed elements or born and bred in the field by an ambitious and creative shaper?

Any other examples?

Two Corinthians walk into a bar ....

TEPaul

Re:Architectural Detail Or Folly In The Field?
« Reply #1 on: April 21, 2005, 09:23:26 AM »
MikeH:

This is a great subject and one that probably gets more than a little controversial not just in play but in discussion on here.

I think the most significant of these kinds of examples are the ones that were sort of "in play" not out of play as you mentioned.

I don't know if it's apocryphal or not but they say those rocks in the middle of that par 5 at Nicklaus's Sherwood (whatever its name) fell off a truck and Jack sort of liked the look of them laying there so they remained. I guess Duval wishes they hadn't fallen off the truck in the first place. ;)

Two of the more famous really quirky architectural features "in play" were probably those two massive in-line rolls on either side of the 12th green at GCGC and the famous "pimple" on the 18th green at PVGC.

They were certainly ultra-quirky and some on here think they never should've been removed and that they should be restored. I'd sure consider something like that but I would not consider it ONLY because the original architect built it. I'm interested in that but I'm also interested in finding out exactly why they were removed and I'm interested in finding out as near as can be just how they really did work in play.

I doubt there's a single person on here who's old enough to remember them "in play". But they certainly were radical, controversial, probably very interesting and even humorous---a number of things that are not bad things to have ever so occasionally!

Forrest Richardson

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Re:Architectural Detail Or Folly In The Field?
« Reply #2 on: April 23, 2005, 10:55:14 PM »
There are a lot of "features" which end up grassed as a result of shapers' "mistakes", interpretations or just by plain ol' accident. Some you mention might be the result of weird construction decisions or the effects of time, age and maintenance practices.

I've heard of a story of a pioneer's grave unearthed on the 3rd hole of a course under construction. Eventually it resulted in an exposed coffin containing a window — yes, a window — which looked in on a woman who had died in her 30s. The developer left a small berm in the fairway as a tribute. She was re-interred to a proper cemetery.

Most importantly...she will always be remembered as being six under after the 2nd...!
« Last Edit: April 23, 2005, 10:56:33 PM by Forrest Richardson »
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Tom_Doak

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Re:Architectural Detail Or Folly In The Field?
« Reply #3 on: April 24, 2005, 07:07:51 AM »
Odd little details are nearly always born in the field ... but they may still be the architect's idea [or one of his associates'], and not the shaper's.

Forrest Richardson

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Re:Architectural Detail Or Folly In The Field?
« Reply #4 on: April 24, 2005, 09:02:44 AM »
Tom makes a good point. A truly interested and dedicated golf architect will always approve or disapprove such happenings and not simply take credit for them on opening day.
« Last Edit: April 24, 2005, 09:03:35 AM by Forrest Richardson »
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ian

Re:Architectural Detail Or Folly In The Field?
« Reply #5 on: April 24, 2005, 08:23:00 PM »
Miscomunication or misunderstanding often brings the opportunity to try something completely out of everyone's comfort zone. You end up going with the new quirky feature because it adds an element of fun.

Great architecture has sprung from suprising circumstance. For me this includes a sanitary line (mis)placed nearly in the middle of a green site; a wonderful bounce in shoulder represents my favourite part of the green surrounds.

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