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Joe Hancock

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Lots of issues in this link
« on: April 17, 2005, 11:25:13 AM »
Many timely and much discussed topics in this link:

http://wzzm.com/news/news_article.aspx?storyid=38789

Art Hills points out, in this article about declining play, that courses pack in golfers to create six hour rounds. Seems to me a conflict in logic, especially after someone else says you can get a tee time at upper end courses at any time now.

In general, I agree with most of what is said in this article. However, it seems to be a regional problem to some extent. I don't see the same issues in the sun belt.

Joe
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Sean_A

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Re:Lots of issues in this link
« Reply #1 on: April 17, 2005, 01:28:05 PM »
Joe

Nearly all of the courses mentioned on the closures list are in the same vicinity.  Why?  I won't miss any of the courses, but The Links of Novi had a few good holes.

Ciao

Sean
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Jfaspen

Re:Lots of issues in this link
« Reply #2 on: April 17, 2005, 01:42:24 PM »
Clarkston golf course was my "home course" for 4 years of high school.. It was an interesting course for sure..  255 uphill par 3 is a tough way to learn the game ;)

Not a huge loss to the GCA community, but one of the necessary cuts in that "area"

RJ_Daley

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Re:Lots of issues in this link
« Reply #3 on: April 17, 2005, 02:04:49 PM »
A nicely written article by Mr King.  The situation is similar on this side of Lake Michigan as well.  I played this week at a parade of homes course design that was built about 3 years ago and had opened public with intent to garner enough members to go private, and has seemingly faltered.  The original impetus I believe was the home building frenzy.  Low interest rates stimulated this particular local area real estate developer to grab a totally unremarkable series of flat fields to offer relatively moderate priced lots amidst a golf course lay out.  In their haste, they didn't seem to think about the fact that the homesite area is in the middle of one of Wisconsin's most stinky towns (Kaukauna paper mills) and that shortly after the homesites commenced building, a huge unsightly oil fired power plant was to be built in some cases 1/4 mile from the homes!  

But, low interest rates stimulated early sales of lots and the building of 250-500K homes which is pretty nice for this area (2300-4000sq ft).  

The course opened with about 50-60$ green fees, and now is offering discount cards that work out to about $28 per round.  Another new course (well designed) nearby has gone through bankruptcy two years after opening, and the new owners (who bought it for less than 1/2 construction costs) aren't reportedly doing much better.  

Could it be that banks lend $$$ for stupid and untested reasons to enterprises and developers that are inadequately prepared to demonstrate realistic proforma data including proper golf market demographic analysis?

To be sarcastic; I think that too many banker-lender-private $ placement specialists are playing too much golf with big new drivers that lengthen their senior feeble games and inflate their perceptions of golf - the buisness.  Because their drives go longer with new ball and impliment tech, they somehow think that golf is getting bigger - like their drivers.  So, they place the $$$ on new unneeded golf development.

I may not know much from a truly educated financial analysis stand point, but I think the whole golf development business has become something of a psycological confidence game anyway. ::)
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Ken Fry

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Re:Lots of issues in this link
« Reply #4 on: April 17, 2005, 04:39:55 PM »
Joe,

We obviously see the effects of the golf course glut in Michigan, but watch the courses for sale around Florida and you'll see our area is not alone.

I guess real estate developers and successful business folks are only now realizing that golf courses are a labor of love, not a successful portfolio investment.

Ken

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