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Dan King

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Bring back the Colonel!
« on: June 26, 2001, 10:59:00 AM »
There are a couple recent posts that I've wanted to respond to, but haven't for various reasons. I think they all trace back to golfers obsession with par.

Back in the good old days there was Colonel Bogey. The good Colonel was the equivalent to the most consistent golfer at the club. People would say he could drive like the best driver in the club, approach like the best with irons and putt like the best putter. He had the characteristics of real people.  You played your match against the good Colonel, getting strokes where you needed them. A scratch player could play the Colonel on even terms.

Then along game par. Par is not the friendly Colonel, par is evil. Par is a bunch of college kids whose lives revolve around preparing to be professionals. The Colonel was retired military, Par is rich kids.  The Colonel understands the traditions of the game and believes in etiquette. Par is about return on investment, shot value and getting through Q-School. The Colonel could play a leisurely round in three hours, par will take as long as it takes and doesn't want time restrictions.

Nobody knows par. It's a number, and since it isn't associated with anything real, it is something everyone thinks he or she should be able to achieve. This is why we need six sets of tees, yardage all over a course, and the whole bluidy idea of fairness in golf.

Someone posted they like to play golf on courses of a specific length. Why?  On a longer course, doesn't that just mean you might need a few more strokes? On a shorter course, just need fewer strokes? Assuming the extra yardage isn't in forced carries, what's the harm of playing 6,000 when you prefer 5,500? Why is it important that there be a tee that meets my exact ability? Should it make a difference to me if the course is 4,500 yards or 7,500? Par was supposed to be an ideal, not something that should be within every golfer's reach.

IMHO it is because we are judging courses based on other courses. Too many golfers really want every course to be identical. Different scenery, maybe a par-3 as the third hole instead of the fourth, but every course should be 18 holes, par-72, four par-5s, four par-3s, (Make sure just two on each side so you get 36-36) hazards of the same depth, greens of the same speed, tees pointed in the correct direction and yardage to the front, middle and back on sprinkler heads, each 15-yards apart. And holes should fit comfortably within their correct par, god save us from holes to close to the edges of par.

When did golf become tennis?  

Did the PGA Tour® do this to us? The golf mags ranking courses against each other? TV? Or was it when evil par replaced our old friend the Colonel?  (In reality the term par pre-dates bogey, but the acceptance of par took longer.)

I really enjoyed playing Pacific Dunes as a 12-hole course. It felt great, i was emancipated from par or comparisons to other courses. I didn't even bother guessing at the end what I might have shot because I had nothing to compare it to. I have no idea what the 12 hole Pacific Dunes yardage was and don't care.  It was just myself, Slag and the good Colonel enjoying a quick round of 12 holes of golf.

Dan King
dking@danking.org

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The story goes that this was a nickname by which a certain fiery colonel was known just before the 1914 War when [Lieutenant F.J. Ricketts] was stationed at Fort George near Inverness in Scotland. One of the composer's recreations was playing golf and it was on the local course that he sometimes encountered the eccentric colonel. One of the latter's peculiarities was that instead of shouting 'Fore' to warn of an impending drive, he preferred to whistle a descending minor third.
--Richard Graves (The Real Colonel Bogey)


aclayman

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« Reply #1 on: June 26, 2001, 06:56:00 PM »
Good Rant

It seems easy for me to point the blame at $comercialization$
I see it all the time too. A group of GUYS take one look at the scorecard and ignore your recommendation to play the whites, after you already found out they're 18+ cappers. And the look on the face of the guy (who's about to shot a 105) Poo Pooing the white tees and goes directly to the golds and not shoots not only the colonel but a whole damn regiment of double and triple and worse colnels.  He might have broke a hondo and at the glass (From the whites) and for an 18 to shoot 98 is within the bell shaped curve of acceptable perameters. 5-15 over ones handicap is average.

Not anymore.

It be going up up and away.


Jason_Henham

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« Reply #2 on: June 27, 2001, 08:53:00 AM »
Dan,

I've brought this topic up before and have racked my brain as to what logical reason we would continue to have this par thing (not including, the 'because it's become the norm or standard' reason. That might be justifiable, but it's not logical). The only one I could come up with was to satisfy the TV audiences, who want to see how each player is, dare I say, RANKED compared to the rest at a given time.

Colonel Sanders turned his life around well after everyone thought his time was over.  Maybe (hopefully) we can get Colonel Bogey to do likewise.  

Jason.


RobertWalker

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Bring back the Colonel!
« Reply #3 on: June 27, 2001, 05:31:00 AM »
My friend from Holland told me that PAR means Professional's Average Result. Can anyone dispute or affirm this?

Slag_Bandoon

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« Reply #4 on: June 27, 2001, 08:34:00 PM »
 Dan, you've gotten me to toss the scorecard, the pencil, 4 to 6 clubs outta my bag, complimentary(?) carts, and the idea of par. Now, how can I eliminate Major Max Quad, Left-tenant Hook, Officer Obie, Chief Chunk, Sergeant Slice, and Five Star Foozle?  

In return I'll break you of the habit of hogging the microphone at Lloyds Karaoke Bar in Bandon. Elvis lives!  


Mike_Cirba

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« Reply #5 on: June 27, 2001, 08:43:00 PM »
Dan;

That's brilliant, and a keeper.  

Long Live the Colonel!


THuckaby2

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« Reply #6 on: June 27, 2001, 08:58:00 PM »
'Tis brilliant indeed, and a keeper too.

BUT... it sucks to say, but Dan is a voice in the wilderness here.  The genie is out of the bottle and it ain't coming back.

I hate to always be so negative, but I know exactly ONE Dan King, a great group of people people in this forum who share his views at least to some extent, and then about 500 people who love to ride, judge courses on quality of gps systems and looks of the cart girls, and would cut off their arms before playing a 12 hole course.

The real world sucks.  I want utopia too.

TH


Dan King

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Bring back the Colonel!
« Reply #7 on: June 27, 2001, 02:27:00 PM »
The golf term <i>par</i> originated from the financial term <i>par</i>.  The golf term also pre-dates professional golfers, so it is likely it has nothing to do with "Professional's Average Results".  Besides it is based on the results from the U.S. Amateur.

Maybe I'm a voice in the wilderness, but movements have been started from lesser stuff. Notice Slag saying he has tossed cards, pencils, clubs and carts. There are others giving the elimination of card and pencil an occasional try.

I have no dilusions of converting the world. But I don't mind them having their playgrounds and we have ours.  Occasionally I'll convince them to make the trip to Pacific Dunes, Pacific Grove and the links of the U.K. and occasionally they'll convince me to play Scottsdale/Phoenix or South Florida. And we'll all have a good time because playing with people you like is more important than all this stuff I rant against.

Slag, when we played Bandon, notice I had a couple visits from Lieutenant Lateral. The secret is to send your caddie off looking for that bad ball and drop another. No reason to stress over the non-typical swing.

Dan King
dking@danking.org

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"My love of golf is part of my religion. I introduce the game to friends and other people constantly, hoping they will get from it what I have."
--Bill Blue, 1989 (LPGA Commissioner)

Gib_Papazian

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« Reply #8 on: June 27, 2001, 09:43:00 PM »
Dan,
Did you get a look at Sheep Ranch? That falls directly into the category of your kind of golf.

Hit it in the hole, tee it up and decide which green you want to go at . . . great match play scheme.

Of course, what you are really saying here is that the concept of par is only illusive -match play eliminates the necessity of even discussing what "par" is.

I believe that in the Alan Robertson era, matches did not even keep score, but simply alternated shots with whoever was away (i.e. playing the odd or even). First in, wins the hole. Isn't that right?    


THuckaby2

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« Reply #9 on: June 28, 2001, 05:19:00 AM »
Well said once again, Dan.  Hell, you've even changed the way I play a bit - but then again, I was closer to your way of thinking to begin with.  

It's a big beautiful golf world with room for everybody.  Good to hear you do recognize that - I had thought you were heading off the "my way or the highway" deep end.

TH


Jim Thompson

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Bring back the Colonel!
« Reply #10 on: June 28, 2001, 07:18:00 AM »
Stumbled upon this amusing bit of trivia regarding the colonel:  www.pasturegolf.com/trivia.htm
Go to the bottom of this page, click on "heads up" and "whistled march". Sometimes you have to wonder what life was like before the internet.
. . . I just took another look at other parts of the website and find that it really is about "pasture golf" with listings of courses (pastures?) that seem to weigh in at about $5-10 and lots of honor boxes. Worth a quick look for what it's worth.
Jim Thompson

Mike Hendren

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« Reply #11 on: June 28, 2001, 10:46:00 AM »
Tom Huckaby laments "The real world sucks.  I want  utopia too."  Amen Brother!  I arrive at the eighth tee last evening with bag on shoulder 55 minutes into a delightful round at my home club.  There I find two remnants of the Hee Haw Gang (used with license since this is my wife's moniker for her in-laws)in a cart who graciously allow me to play through even though they've clearly skipped over to the tee from parts unknown.  I'm even encouraged to "take my time."  A few holes later I close rapidly on a foursome who started on the back and is proceeding at a snail's pace.  They don't acknowledge my existance for two holes.  I subsequently commit an unpardonable sin.  In laying up with a seven iron from 180 yards out behind trees in the rough I catch a flyer that rolls onto the green where they're putting.  I hasten my pace and earnestly apologize after they've putted out.  Failing to acknowledge my apology they turn their backs and move onward.  

There, I feel better now.  Thanks.  


Mike Hendren

Bring back the Colonel!
« Reply #12 on: June 28, 2001, 10:47:00 AM »
Tom Huckaby laments "The real world sucks.  I want  utopia too."  Amen Brother!  I arrive at the eighth tee last evening with bag on shoulder 55 minutes into a delightful round at my home club.  There I find two remnants of the Hee Haw Gang (used with license since this is my wife's moniker for her in-laws)in a cart who graciously allow me to play through even though they've clearly skipped over to the tee from parts unknown.  I'm even encouraged to "take my time."  A few holes later I close rapidly on a foursome who started on the back and is proceeding at a snail's pace.  They don't acknowledge my existance for two holes.  I subsequently commit an unpardonable sin.  In laying up with a seven iron from 180 yards out behind trees in the rough I catch a flyer that rolls onto the green where they're putting.  I hasten my pace and earnestly apologize after they've putted out.  Failing to acknowledge my apology they turn their backs and move onward.  

There, I feel better now.  Thanks.  


aclayman

Bring back the Colonel!
« Reply #13 on: June 28, 2001, 01:19:00 PM »
Nice shot, Mike.

Dan, your Lt. Lateral bit reminds me of one of golf's greatest characters, Manny Flax. Manny used to be one of the biggest independant club collector in the country, prior to his death.
He had a playing philosophy that if you missed a shot, that you knew you could pull off, you were allowed to throw down another ball, as long as you did pull it off.
This in turn spawned a game Eddie and I use to play after we had had our fill of a course. We would play a match with the provision that you could re-do any shot on the hole. After awhile the strategy becomes saving it for a reasonable putt, but it still brings fond memories of a man who lived and loved golf, without malice or attitude.
Tom H- be very careful what you wish for. You are fortunate not to be on Wall street where the real original weenie resides. Oakland is the perfect distance from these immature Ivy brats I see coming to play #1. They are much more interested in who's boffing whom than the golf


Dan King

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Bring back the Colonel!
« Reply #14 on: June 28, 2001, 02:05:00 PM »
That's the beauty of my system of golf. When I hit a lateral and just drop another ball, I'm doing that while playing by the Rules of Golf.

When I drop the second ball as near as possible to where I played my last shot I'm just proceeding according to Rule 28 -- Ball Unplayable.

The cool thing is it cost me nothing, since I'm not keeping score.  

Dan King
dking@danking.org
quote]"So many people preach equity in golf. Nothing is so foreign to the truth. Does any human being receive what he conceives as equity in his life? He has got to take the bitter with the sweet, and as he forges through all the intricacies and inequalities which life presents, he proves his metal. In golf the cardinal rules are arbitrary and not founded on eternal justice. Equity has nothing to do with the game itself. If founded on eternal justice the game would be deadly dull to watch and play."
--Charles Blair Macdonald[/quote]


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