[Patrick_Mucci]

Why anyone bothers to respond to your threads is now beyond me.  They all begin with questions that you really don't want to hear an opposing viewpoint, and they all end with "you obviously can't comprehend my responses".

I don't mind hearing opposing viewpoints, you offered two reasons for MY post and both were wrong.  Had you read my responses with a degree of comprehension, you wouldn't have drawn your erroneous conclusions.

Don't get upset with me because you didn't understand the nature of the issue.  You posed two possible reasons for MY post, both of which were incorrect.  That's your fault, not mine.

I would suggest that you go back and reread my original post and see if you can understand the two questions I posed, rather then draw erroneous conclusions on what my reasons for posing those questions were.

Noone forced you to respond on this thread or any others.
You admittedly started the bashing, if you can't take the heat, stay out of the kitchen  

[Patrick_Mucci]

TEPaul,

I completely agree with Adam Clayman above that the far more benefical thing to do with a course is to walk it AFTER you play it not before. At least it certainly is for me.

But I'd go with your recommendation anyway to make all raters walk the course BEFORE they're allowed to play it because if you asked them to walk it AFTER they played it the incompetent little Know-nothings would make some pathetic excuse and try to escape immediately after playing the course. But I'd still try to make them walk it AFTER they played it and if they refused or tried to escape I'd automatically revoke their rating status!;)

You'll have to excuse me, I became confused by your contradictory response.

First you agreed with A Clayman, who openly disagreed with me.  Then, you flip floppped, and agreed with me.

Since you allege that I'm incorrect 98 % of the time, the only prudent decision I could make in the face of your contradictory answer was that you really sided with
A Clayman, hence you fell into the naive category.

I was also confused by the brevity of your post # 13.  

[TEPaul]

"You'll have to excuse me, I became confused by your contradictory response. First you agreed with A Clayman, who openly disagreed with me.  Then, you flip floppped, and agreed with me."

Patrick:

Excuse you? Well, of course I will my good man!

No, I did not agree with you and then disagree with you and then flip flop and agree with you again. What I did is agree with you and then offer a new and additional thought or two. I realize that's foreign to you but it happens sometime! I think you'll pick up on the gist of what I'm saying here, however, as you have in the past, by my calculations about 2% of the time.

[A_Clay_Man]

Pat- Here are two examples of why I think the afore walk is NOT beneficial.

I recently toured a course and as I was seeing it, it occurred to me that when I saw the sign that said "resort" is what I call the writting on the wall. I don't feel the need to ever golf there, because it would likely never make the top 100 list even if half the country fell into the ocean.

The other i.e. is when I was going to Caddie in a tournament at a course I had never seen. The notion that I wasn't allowed to golf, while I went out to learn the greens, was preposterious, to me. (It was all about the arrogance of the image they wanted to project)
Well, I learned the greens and caddied three rounds there.  Little to no strategy considerations other than middle or right middle or left middle. I still have yet to golf that course and I would not presume to give it a rating. Why, because I did not golf it. I have no idea how the course plays, but I do know the features that are there. All I really have is a pre-conceived notion. When I show-up somewhere I have never seen, and I golf, first, I have no notion what lies ahead. Allowing the architect to take me on a tour of his interpretation of the topography.

[Patrick_Mucci]

A Clayman,

I understand your position, however I revert back to one of my points, "two bites at the apple are better then one", and when you combine the balance of one round playing the golf course with one round of walking the golf course, the information gleaned from the dual exercise has to far exceed the information gleaned from just one of the exercises.

The requirement might also identify the serious student and result in an enhanced cadre of raters

Shivas,

Hissy fitters come and go.

[A_Clay_Man]

Pat, And I agree with your two bites scenario and of course the more exposure will yield a deeper understanding, analytically. But, my point is that there is a fundemental difference between before and after. Virgin exposure can only happen once. I prefer to have a course reveal it's mysteries, it's flow, it's quality as a first impression as a golfer golfing his ball.

Plus, alot of courses have been built that fail to revere the cradle and their designs therefore fail to inspire. You can't know that ahead of time, you have to see it for yourself and golf it for yourself. On the occasions that a course requires further study it hardly needs to be mandated because the rater is the one who will desire to see it agin'.

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