[wsmorrison]

"Did you see what Mayday said above? "

I rarely pay attention to what he says, Tom, it is too frustrating to see his lack of learning curve; it is as flatlined as his EEG.  So let's once again try and beat some sense into that microencephaloid Quaker.  

In fact I did get off my arse and did go out to Rolling Green today and did take a look at the trees that were planted.  Not all of us have the life of Riley like Malone.  When I was retired I worked harder than Malone who seems to have the time to play 6 times a week all year round.  Frankly, the positioning of the four trees weren't as bad as I suspected they would be.  They were clumped rather than in a line and they aren't evergreens.  Still, it would have been better to leave the area alone for a year to see how it would play without them.  If they had to be put in, I would've liked to have seen them 10-15 yards further up the hill, but all in all not bad.

By the way Mike, if you think that oak is 40 feet tall, you have no sense of dimension.

[mike_malone]

Wayne,

 I'm an optimist;that's why the tree looks taller to me.

[Kyle Harris]

Kyle, Wayne and Tom know exactly where I was going with my post. I am in the believe that what makes great old golf courses unique is not only the original architecture, but also how some of the features evolve over time.

IMHO If you truly try and put the bunkers back to the exact depth, shape, and grade as when they were built than you really need to restore the entire green and surrounds. They evolved together and to undo all those years of wear and tear on one adjoining feature and not touch the other creates an awkward transition or tie-in. As Wayne points out #8 and #13 at Merion are great examples on how the sand splash has not only changed the grade around the top of the bunker but also much of the green surface.

I was just curious what approach Mannys was taking.

John,

I knew too, but that has been discussed on here ad nauseum...  

They're aerial based in shape, I'm not sure about depth or anything of that nature.

At which point does the evolution become too much, in your opinion? Determining that critical point, to me, is the key in any sort of restoration.

[wsmorrison]

"I'm an optimist;that's why the tree looks taller to me."

Do you tell your wife that a stymie is 12 inches?  

[Mike_Cirba]

The fairway bunkers at Philadelphia Country Club  are also excellent examples.  I believe the greenside bunkers at PCC had the evolutionary build-up reduced.

Hi Wayne,

When I was last at PCC I was told that there was a good deal of debate around what to do about evolutionary buildup of bunkers, such as the one short right of #9.  I was told the club decided to let them stay in their evolved built-up state.

[wsmorrison]

You might be right, Mike.  I am not at all certain.  Though I can't remember too many build-ups to the extent seen elsewhere.  For instance the bunker on the right of 3 isn't built up, the bunkers right and left of 7 aren't very high, but the greenside bunker right of 8 has some slope off the back come to think of it also.  The bunkers on the right of 13 and 14 don't have much slope and the slope off the right side bunker on 16 was definitely taken down.  I'll have to ask Mike McNulty what the process was.

[John Gosselin]

Kyle,   "At which point does the evolution become too much, in your opinion?"

An argument could be made that once something becomes unplayable or unmaintainable. Next question is who decides what is unplayable or unmaintainable?

[Mike_Cirba]

You might be right, Mike.  I am not at all certain.  Though I can't remember too many build-ups to the extent seen elsewhere.  For instance the bunker on the right of 3 isn't built up, the bunkers right and left of 7 aren't very high, but the greenside bunker right of 8 has some slope off the back come to think of it also.  The bunkers on the right of 13 and 14 don't have much slope and the slope off the right side bunker on 16 was definitely taken down.  I'll have to ask Mike McNulty what the process was.

Wayne,

The fellow who was Director of Golf during the restoration is the one who discussed the build up bunkers with me, although he only referred to a few specific ones and I'm not sure if others weren't touched, however.

He also gave enormous credit to Mike for implementation of the actual work.   He also felt that Ron & Jim helped set the proper direction and were great partners.

[wsmorrison]

Yes, Ron and Jim were excellent at setting the goals and other values.  Mike McNulty executed everything brilliantly.  He's one of the best supers out there and as good a guy as you'll ever meet.

[Joe Perches]

I feel you are assuming that the size of the putting green, and the size of the "pinnable and holdable" areas of the putting green are one in the same when they are not necessarily.

Hello Kyle.

Is there a question posed here for me that I missed and to which I should have replied?

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