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Dale_McCallon

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Re:Hello World...
« Reply #25 on: February 06, 2006, 08:24:21 AM »
I don't think Tiger lost his edge a couple of years ago because of a lack of distance--he just started missing lots of fairways.  He was still incredibly young.

If you remember correctly, when Tiger was really rolling, he was perfectly content hitting that stinging 2-iron.

I bet he slept just fine last night--I doubt if Holmes is really worrying him.

Brian Phillips

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Re:Hello World...
« Reply #26 on: February 06, 2006, 08:28:04 AM »

Well, Ex-CUSE ME, Mr Phillips!!!
but shurely there is a difference between some woodworker-chappie from the frozen latitudes and the kilt-wearing rabid MacKenzie-phile frae bonnie Scotland!!! ;)

And to think, there was me watching the young fella last night (well, the coverage of the tourney) and proudly announcing to La Nancy: "why, that's the young talented golfer my young friend Brian mentions on GCA. Well done to him."

Seriously though, well done Henrik!! Next Stop - The Ryder Cup!

FBD.

PS and Back On Topic. Just what the hell was that Tee Shot on 18? It was a game with which I, for one, am not familiar...
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Dan_Callahan

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Re:Hello World...
« Reply #27 on: February 06, 2006, 08:58:32 AM »

If you remember correctly, when Tiger was really rolling, he was perfectly content hitting that stinging 2-iron.


That's because he could hit the stinging 2-iron 270 yards! Or roughly the same distance of Frad Funk's driver. ;)

A distance advantage isn't restricted to driver. After all, look at Holmes yesterday hitting his 4-iron 258 and his pitching wedge on a 178-yard par 3. Amazing.

I'm not saying Tiger is losing sleep over this. Let's just see what happens when more and more players start replicating Holmes's power and accuracy.
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JESII

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Re:Hello World...
« Reply #28 on: February 06, 2006, 09:23:27 AM »

I'm not saying Tiger is losing sleep over this. Let's just see what happens when more and more players start replicating Holmes's power and accuracy.

Let's first see if Holmes can replicate his power and accuracy. ;)

For what it's worth, I agree with Shivas' premise that these type of players that hit the ball so far are coming, and in numbers. Very few however have shown the ability Holmes showed on the back nine yesterday. The putts he made on 10, 13 and 15 were pure competitiveness. Tiger has always had the ability to step on their throats at just the right time and thst's what Holmes did early on the back nine yesterday.

I wonder, if he had to hit a draw with his driver, could he do it?  

JESII

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Re:Hello World...
« Reply #29 on: February 06, 2006, 09:36:57 AM »
Hit the damm ball!

Funny, you guys have been predictng that the young guys are not only really long, but really slow as well. The announcers made a special point to say Camillo Villegas was incredibly slow while playing with Verplank and Sabattini. He sure gets his money's worth on each swing. If I tried to swing as hard as he swings a nine iron I'd pull a fat on the first shot.

Brent Hutto

Re:Hello World...
« Reply #30 on: February 06, 2006, 09:41:41 AM »
If I tried to swing as hard as he swings a nine iron I'dpull a fat on the first shot.

Isn't "pull a fat" the thing where you think you pulled a muscle but then you realize there hasn't been muscle there for nigh unto 15 years?

JESII

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Re:Hello World...
« Reply #31 on: February 06, 2006, 09:47:00 AM »
That's about right Brent. ;D

JESII

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Re:Hello World...
« Reply #32 on: February 06, 2006, 09:54:20 AM »
The only thing that doesn't make these guys seem incredibly slow is relativism.  

Pretty much every guy on tour is slow as molasses.  So when they play with each other, nobody sticks out.  If any of these guys played that way in my foursome, I'd be going bananas by the 3rd hole.


Dave,

Agree on the relativism point, but I would bet the majority of these guys are pretty quick players in their downtime with buddies. No real proof, just a strong hunch. I think the issue on tour is expectations. The Tour has to set up their TV schedule so the event does not run long, this means they give plenty of extra room (time) in case of a couple major delays for rulings. By setting up this way there is very little incentive to force these guys along unless outside circumstances arise like weather. I can tell you, I played a few Nationwide events a few years ago and played the weekend twice. All four weekend rounds I was fairly early on the sheet and they were all over our group to keep up. I think as long as the early guys set a reasonable pace the officials could essentially care less what happens with the guys on TV as long as the last group is on pace to finish during coverage hours.

Doug Wright

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Re:Hello World...
« Reply #33 on: February 06, 2006, 10:35:15 AM »
Like Feherty said with that claw or whatever it is, if it goes yippie, where does he go from there at 23 years old.

RJ,

I love Feherty but this is a stupid comment. Jim Furyk's done OK with that goofy crosshanded grip; Dimarco's done OK with The Claw (tm). As Rihc Goodale and I know, The Claw (tm) shall set you free. ;D

JB is impressive--hearing that he shot all 6 rounds in the 60s at Q School--now that's golfing the ball under pressure. But These Guys Are Good. I'd wait awhile before anointing another king.

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JESII

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Re:Hello World...
« Reply #34 on: February 06, 2006, 10:44:28 AM »
Have we heard yet his reason for changing his public name from John Holmes to J.B. Holmes? I know he was John Holmes all through his amateur career and including Q School.

Doug Wright

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Re:Hello World...
« Reply #35 on: February 06, 2006, 10:47:11 AM »
Have we heard yet his reason for changing his public name from John Holmes to J.B. Holmes? I know he was John Holmes all through his amateur career and including Q School.

JES,

I'm sure it's so he won't be linked with John Holmes, one of the alltime big  ;) pornstars... :o
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PThomas

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Re:Hello World...
« Reply #36 on: February 06, 2006, 11:03:21 AM »
178 with a PW

and the USGA does nothing about the ball?
199 played, only Augusta National left to play!

Mike_Cirba

Re:Hello World...
« Reply #37 on: February 06, 2006, 11:19:28 AM »
178 with a PW

and the USGA does nothing about the ball?

Paul,

I'm sorta partial to the 264 yard 4-iron myself.  

I'd better get to the range or update my circa 1985 set of Taylor Made irons.  

RJ_Daley

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Re:Hello World...
« Reply #38 on: February 06, 2006, 11:34:02 AM »
Shivas, if you think he was slow with his pre-shot now, you should have seen him at the Palmer cup.  They are mentioning his Walker cup experience among his accomplishments last year, but he also did very well and brought the Irish course to it's knees last June at the Palmer.  

Until his interview explanation of his actions of closing his eyes and steadying himself before he hits, I thought it was shot visualizations.  He appears to be doing that now while the other guy is still fiddling around.  But, he said he is saying a psalm or some bible passage...  Geez, now we have this kid from Kaintuck, saying a little scripture before he takes his shot, like another Sgt. York! ;D  All he is playing for is a little piece of bottom land and a mule to help him plow in the valley.  

Hendren will jump on this guy to represent the "Hillbilly Tour" when the KPV goes trilateral.  Nor Cal,  So Cal, and Hillbillies.  that ought to finally give Forstan a run for the putter.  ;) ;D
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peter_p

Re:Hello World...
« Reply #39 on: February 06, 2006, 12:21:36 PM »
RJ,
He's not yet in the Masters. A victory getting you in as dropped years ago. The only way he can get in is to be in the top ten of the PGA money list thru Atlanta, or to be in the top 50 of the world rankings thru Atlanta.  

redanman

Re:Hello World...
« Reply #40 on: February 06, 2006, 12:27:18 PM »
Too bad the golf media's been more focused Wie than J.B.*.  Shows what a P.R. firm can do for ya.


Michael Wharton-Palmer

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Re:Hello World...
« Reply #41 on: February 06, 2006, 02:37:31 PM »
I'm
sorry fellas but I really dont feel that the likes of Tiger, Els, Goose, Phil etc are quaking in their boots because of some guys maiden victory...let's ask the same question in October!

Yes his golf was very impressive this week, but so was the golf of numerous "future#1's" over the years..let's just wait and see.

I can promise you I am not running to the bookies to place a bet on this guy being in the top 10  on the money list at season's end.

Dan_Callahan

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Re:Hello World...
« Reply #42 on: February 06, 2006, 03:47:02 PM »
RJ,
He's not yet in the Masters. A victory getting you in as dropped years ago. The only way he can get in is to be in the top ten of the PGA money list thru Atlanta, or to be in the top 50 of the world rankings thru Atlanta.  

Can't he get an invite from Hootie?

peter_p

Re:Hello World...
« Reply #43 on: February 06, 2006, 04:19:22 PM »
Not according to these rules. Now if Kentucky wasn't part of the USA...

http://www.masters.org/en_US/news/field.html

RJ_Daley

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Re:Hello World...
« Reply #44 on: February 06, 2006, 05:31:16 PM »
Well, since he is currently 4th on money list with over a million samolies won aready this year, perhaps a couple more top 10s and he'll make it that way.  

No Micheal, none of those guys are quaking in their footjoys, but I don't think they are exactly unimpressed either. They know that the floggers advantage is getting anywhere close to the green, but flogging it straight and being able to putt is even better... ;) ;D
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Adam_F_Collins

Re:Hello World...
« Reply #45 on: February 06, 2006, 09:15:52 PM »
I'm
sorry fellas but I really dont feel that the likes of Tiger, Els, Goose, Phil etc are quaking in their boots because of some guys maiden victory...let's ask the same question in October!

Yes his golf was very impressive this week, but so was the golf of numerous "future#1's" over the years..let's just wait and see.

I can promise you I am not running to the bookies to place a bet on this guy being in the top 10  on the money list at season's end.

I'm with Michael on this one. We've seen a lot of great play over the years which vanished as quick as it came. I know the world just can't seem to find another Tiger-Woods-Media-Frenzy-Marketer's-Delight fast enough, but the reason people like Jones, Hogan, Nicklaus and Tiger are so interesting is that they just don't show up that often.

You have to show your stuff week in, week out, year in, year out for a while before you get to join the ranks - and that kind of performance is hard to predict, so it seems like people start 'predictint' with just about everyone who shows great talent. But there's A LOT of great talent out there.

I know I'll be watching with interest, just like I did when Tiger started. Only time will tell.
« Last Edit: February 06, 2006, 09:17:43 PM by Adam_Foster_Collins »

Voytek Wilczak

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Re:Hello World...
« Reply #46 on: February 06, 2006, 10:16:45 PM »
>>Woods says the future of golf lies with players who are bigger, stronger and more athletic -- guys built like linebackers who can generate enormous club speed and have been taught the technical side of golf from an early age.

But a few minutes later, he was asked the difference between a great swing and a great game.

"You've got to have the guts to get it done," Woods said. "You can have a picture-perfect swing. You can put the club in every position. But can you pull the trigger when you have a 3-iron over water on the last hole when you need to make 3? Can you do it? That's when it comes down to, 'What do you have inside?'

"That's something you can't teach."

Woods made that observation on the eve of the Buick Invitational. Five days later, Garcia had more than 3-iron over the water to the 18th green on the South Course. He needed a 3. And he hit the green.

He just didn't make the putt.

The problem Woods sees with most young players is they have one shot, one swing, one trajectory. He noted that golf balls don't allow for as much movement anymore, but they can still be shaped.

"I don't see the kids trying that," he said. <<


Woods will get some competition one of these days (he sure as heck ain't got any now), but I would not call Holmes' win a Hello World moment.

Gordon Oneil

Re:Hello World...
« Reply #47 on: February 07, 2006, 12:25:24 PM »
Whoa, fellas.
The reports of Tiger's demise have been greatly exaggerated.
In no way am I a Tiger apologist.  I also really enjoyed JB's walk in the park this weekend.  
I have a couple of reservations before I annoint Holmes as #1 in the world.  Don't you guys think he ought to win a major or two, or five, before his is granted sainthood?  Or maybe at least a few more run of the mill tour victories?
But the main question I ask is, while I grant JB's fan club that he did have a fairly successful junior, college and amateur career (not many Joe Shmoes play in the Walker Cup), isn't it possible that this rookie just had a hot week?  Does he always drive it that straight, yes that is still relevant, and does he always lead the tourney with 108 putts over 72 holes?
I guess all of the answers remain to be seen.  But for the moment I think I'll still take Tiger first in my tour fantasy league.

Brent Hutto

Re:Hello World...
« Reply #48 on: February 07, 2006, 12:30:56 PM »
Gordon,

Of course as you imply nobody drives it straight every day except maybe Fred Funk or Calvin Peete. Before we annoint JB as the "next Tiger" let's see him win one while hitting it crooked for four straight rounds.

RJ_Daley

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Re:Hello World...
« Reply #49 on: February 07, 2006, 12:41:11 PM »
I was at the Hello World GMO innaugral of Tiger's career.   I followed him around the course for two days.  Although I was not with his pairing when he made the hole in one.  At the point where a new phenom bursts onto the scene and says, "hello world" I don't think that Tiger was any more spectacular that the first events Holmes has shown up to play.  Holmes appears to have something extra.  We shall see.  No one is taking bets that Holmes will smoke Tiger this week at the AT&T at Pebble Beach.  Particularly given Tiger's showing and total dominance there in the US Open.  But, if anyone would like to give me 49-1 odds (that is how many wins Tiger has over Holmes) that Tiger will finish higher than Holmes this week, I'll take it. ;) ;D 8)
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