[Tiger_Bernhardt]

Sean, good enough Sean. I left out modern guys whom I respect as well for the reasons Tom said. My dear ole Dad always said not to judge a mans life until you put him in the ground and the final chapter has been played. There are a lot of talented men on this site, some of whom have not had that combination of good luck and timing as yet. Some have and their flight into the stratosphere of their profession is going on in front of our eyes. I find that as exciting if not more so than studying the works of past greats.

[Sean_A]

John

My comments were meant to be cheeky.  

Personally, I am not too bothered by architects' body of works.  I don't seek out courses to play by archie reps.  I look to play courses based on rep, cost and access.  Braid and Hackett are the archies which happen to have been most consistently involved in courses which I like and meet the above criteria.  How responsible these guys are for what is on the ground today is speculative.

I agree that what is happening architecturally today is very exciting.  Unfortunately, I have only played a few of these newish courses.  It would seem that cirumstances have conspired against me.  Nevermind, one musn't grumble.  I can only think of one course, Tobacco Road, which has left a lasting impression on me.  Hopefully I will create the opportunities to play some of the course guys on this site are involved with.  

I know my eyes have been opened to several courses I never gave a thought to.  The Canadian GCA contingent has been particularly persuasive about old a new glories of Canadian golf.  Previously I gave Canada credit for five things in this order:

1.Hockey
2.Hockey
3.Neil Young (I know he has put out a lot of shit, but I am always willing to give Neil the benefit of the doubt)
4.Lager
5.Hockey

Perhaps I should revisit Canada with another aim in mind.  Who knows, maybe a sixth item can be added to the list.

Ciao

Sean

[Tim Gavrich]

3.Neil Young (I know he has put out a lot of shit, but I am always willing to give Neil the benefit of the doubt)

Sean--
   Neil Young has to be one of the great singer/songwriters of all time.  I see on the left side of your post box the middle line of the first verse of "Falling From Above."  Greendale is the best album I've heard from the past 15 years, and one of my all time favorites at that (I'm a 70s and 80s music kinda guy myself).

Here's an idea: The last line in the fourth song on that album, "Leave the Driving," is "some people have taken pure bullshit/and turned it into gold."  This seems to have an excellent parallel in GCA.  Who is the best re-designer of golf courses, in accordance with the quote?  Or, better yet, what course gets the nod for best all-time rags-to-riches redesign?

Hmm... music in golf course architecture.  Tim like.

[Sean_A]

Tim

I haven't made up my mind about Greendale.  I am not sure if Neil has gone insane or if he has found a touch of brilliance or if he is brilliantly insane.  One thing is for sure.  Greendale still has my attention after 40-50 plays.  I can't say that about a Neil album since Tonight's The Night.  Additionally, Greendale is Neil's best album since On The Beach.  

Rags to riches course would probably be Muirfield (Rich may object loudly to this) or perhaps Co. Down.  Interestingly enough, Colt was at least the main shaker at Muirfield.  I also think he had a significant roll to play at Co. Down.  

Ciao

Sean

[Bill Wernecke Jr]

Tom --

You have an excellent point!  One should never "stereotype" a particular architect based on a few courses.  I have experienced exactly what you say, where I played a few courses by an architect that I really did not care for, but they came up with others that were great.  And think of all of the reasons for this, like architects evolving, changing their style to fit the land or charge, and greens committees that mess courses up!

I will admit, however, that I have some particular favorites, which is very helpful when you are going on a trip to someplace with a lot of courses -- it seems like it improves my chances of playing courses that I like.

Keeping things in the right spirit, however, whenever I am playing a number of times, I always make arrangements to play a few course by architects that I don't know or have not enjoyed, to give them another shot!

I will admit I almost asked for a tee time at Ted Robinson's Tuscany in Las Vegas...

[Greg Holland]

Perhaps to close the loop on this thread, in the current GolfWeek, the Watchdog noted, IBF "likely raised some eyebrows by listing Seth Raynor among the top three all-time architects.  Raynor clearly is underappreciated, but top three might be a stretch."

Maybe the dog even lurks here?

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