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pdrake

Re:Harmony Club or timber clearing question
« Reply #25 on: January 05, 2005, 10:51:40 AM »
I have nothing against THC or its founders...........it is just sickening to me how it is talked up again and again on this site.  If Trump or Fazio was involved, it would be bashed.  But because it is a Doak project, the site and everything else is blessed.  

I have no involvement in any golf project near or far from this project.  I am simply a successful business man who belongs to 4 prominent clubs.......and have seen many a friend and foe get involved in startup clubs (good, bad and very bad).  It is a toss-up..........hopefully they will survive, but lets save the bally hoos until it is finished.  As said earlier, why don't all the GCA'ers ante up the nominal fee of $35K and get this thing built.  Jeez, I was thinking of buying the remaining memberships available just so I wouldn't have to hear about it again (even though I have never played in the lakes region and doubt I ever will.......it is a little too country an area for me).

Mike Hendren

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Re:Harmony Club or timber clearing question
« Reply #26 on: January 05, 2005, 06:17:05 PM »
P Drake,

Keep it up.  I am easily amused.

Kindest regards,

Mike
Two Corinthians walk into a bar ....

paul cowley

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Re:Harmony Club or timber clearing question
« Reply #27 on: January 05, 2005, 06:53:00 PM »
 Seccession might never made it over the hump if not for the financial injection from Bob Wardle , a great and timely benefactor.....rest in peace Bob ,you are missed but not forgotten.
paul cowley...golf course architect/asgca

pdrake

Re:Harmony Club or timber clearing question
« Reply #28 on: January 05, 2005, 06:56:38 PM »
there were others at Secession that made a big difference too................Mr Harmon is right at the top of that list.

paul cowley

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Re:Harmony Club or timber clearing question
« Reply #29 on: January 05, 2005, 07:05:03 PM »
....he must have come after Bob's 3-4 million.
paul cowley...golf course architect/asgca

pdrake

Re:Harmony Club or timber clearing question
« Reply #30 on: January 05, 2005, 08:03:11 PM »
money is not everthing..............Harmon makes that place.....from the beginning to now

and other partners ante'd up too..........

paul cowley

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Re:Harmony Club or timber clearing question
« Reply #31 on: January 05, 2005, 08:10:23 PM »
...but might not have been able to if not for Bob.
paul cowley...golf course architect/asgca

pdrake

Re:Harmony Club or timber clearing question
« Reply #32 on: January 05, 2005, 08:19:00 PM »
make him a saint then...........the Secession family (all 750+) should hold a candle light worship every month for his generosity..........

Doug Sobieski

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Re:Harmony Club or timber clearing question
« Reply #33 on: January 05, 2005, 08:30:40 PM »
Is anyone thinking what I'm thinking..... That "P Drake" may be the return of "rpurd"? They seem to have very similar people skills and tact  ;D

paul cowley

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Re:Harmony Club or timber clearing question
« Reply #34 on: January 05, 2005, 08:31:00 PM »
PDrake....I know Bob would be uncomfortable with that...he wasn't about self promotion , but all about not letting a vision die.

you should have met him.
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paul cowley...golf course architect/asgca

Ken Fry

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Re:Harmony Club or timber clearing question
« Reply #35 on: January 05, 2005, 08:43:49 PM »
ooooooo.....

Paul, that was good..........

Marion

Re:Harmony Club or timber clearing question
« Reply #36 on: January 05, 2005, 08:53:00 PM »
I am simply a successful business man who belongs to 4 prominent clubs.......

I was thinking that the Trumpster is not just lurking. Maybe he will tell us the size of his Johnson next.  :o

pdrake

Re:Harmony Club or timber clearing question
« Reply #37 on: January 05, 2005, 09:12:55 PM »
I met Bob Wardle numerous times..........I even hosted him in Naples a few years............know what you talk about before you talk PC

I wonder who rpurd is............another newbie that came out of the woodwork ala these other lurkers such as Marion and KFry?

And Marion.........any time you want to match anything.......let me know......I will be in Naples for the winter
« Last Edit: January 05, 2005, 09:13:16 PM by P Drake »

Joe Hancock

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Re:Harmony Club or timber clearing question
« Reply #38 on: January 05, 2005, 09:20:29 PM »
And I know KFry, a reputable PGA pro from Michigan......he happens to have more posts than you, PDrake....and a lot less condecending ones at that......

Sorry..... you were saying?

Joe

" What the hell is the point of architecture and excellence in design if a "clever" set up trumps it all?" Peter Pallotta, June 21, 2016

"People aren't picking a side of the fairway off a tee because of a randomly internally contoured green ."  jeffwarne, February 24, 2017

paul cowley

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Re:Harmony Club or timber clearing question
« Reply #39 on: January 05, 2005, 09:20:55 PM »
Marion ...i think he just did.
paul cowley...golf course architect/asgca

Ken Fry

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Re:Harmony Club or timber clearing question
« Reply #40 on: January 05, 2005, 09:53:13 PM »
Dale,

Us "nit-wits" casually watching this post from the sidelines only interjected because of one simple fact:  one man has a dream (Kent Hassell) which strikes a cord for many on this DG.  Do you or P Drake agree or disagree with his vision or how he has gone about creating it?  Fine.  There is nothing wrong with not reading discussions you find "self serving" in your opinion.

P Drake,

If you are in Naples, you of all people should understand the "souless" real estate development courses that are so plentiful there.  I've had a number of people approach me with conceptual blueprints for a golf facility similar to what Mr. Hassell is trying to do.  The difference is they never had the courage to try.  Disagree with him all you want, but admire his courage to follow his dream.

Joe,

Have I had any condescending posts in my short time at GCA??

Ken

Scott_Burroughs

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Re:Harmony Club or timber clearing question
« Reply #41 on: January 05, 2005, 09:57:46 PM »
P (Phil) Drake is not Rick Purdy (rpurd), just as HamiltonBHearst is not Pat Mucci.

Dale,

How is Harmony a scam?

« Last Edit: January 05, 2005, 10:10:36 PM by Scott_Burroughs »

Joe Hancock

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Re:Harmony Club or timber clearing question
« Reply #42 on: January 05, 2005, 09:57:51 PM »
Ken,

"None" would be a lot less...... ;D

Joe
" What the hell is the point of architecture and excellence in design if a "clever" set up trumps it all?" Peter Pallotta, June 21, 2016

"People aren't picking a side of the fairway off a tee because of a randomly internally contoured green ."  jeffwarne, February 24, 2017

Joe Hancock

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Re:Harmony Club or timber clearing question
« Reply #43 on: January 05, 2005, 10:03:37 PM »
Is calling something a scam that really isn't a scam considered slander? Or is it libel? Or is it just a case of foot-in-mouth?

Joe
" What the hell is the point of architecture and excellence in design if a "clever" set up trumps it all?" Peter Pallotta, June 21, 2016

"People aren't picking a side of the fairway off a tee because of a randomly internally contoured green ."  jeffwarne, February 24, 2017

Joe Hancock

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Re:Harmony Club or timber clearing question
« Reply #44 on: January 05, 2005, 10:27:32 PM »
Dale,

I asked my question in all seriousness.I don't know the difference in the legal terms.

I know nothing of THC or it's principals. I cannot pass judgement on their project or their business plan. I can't see, however, where making statements such as yours without any willingness to follow up does any good.

By the way, I didn't take any offense to the "nit-wit" thing...you didn't mean it, I'm sure.

Joe

" What the hell is the point of architecture and excellence in design if a "clever" set up trumps it all?" Peter Pallotta, June 21, 2016

"People aren't picking a side of the fairway off a tee because of a randomly internally contoured green ."  jeffwarne, February 24, 2017

Brian_Gracely

Re:Harmony Club or timber clearing question
« Reply #45 on: January 05, 2005, 11:17:22 PM »
I few things I don't know:

The difference between slander and libel and a venomous tongue.

One thing I do know:

Ran never intended this site to be the source of cowardly people coming on here and bashing others that show a genuine interest in golf and golf architecture.  

PDrake and Dale Frey may or may not know all the interworkings of Harmony Club, but none of it is relevant to this discussion (read the initial post) or this website.  

Successful businessmen don't coward behind an internet address or accuse people of "scams"... :(

RJ_Daley

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Re:Harmony Club or timber clearing question
« Reply #46 on: January 06, 2005, 01:32:59 AM »
I hope I made my beliefs known on my post a few pages back when I said I didn't know any of the guys involved in the project, as developers or promoters.  I did say I can sympathise with Mr Hassell for undertaking the effort and wouldn't want to see him submarined by a whisper or inuendo campaign for motives Mr Frey and Mr Drake may or may not have have beyond sounding some sort of scam alarm.  

But there comes a time to put up or shut up.  Mrrs Frey and Drake may have some honest reasons to sound an alarm.  I haven't the slightest clue.  But, vague inuendo just stinks like a suppository.  Do you fellows know something is rotten in Denmark or not?  If you heard, and can't verify, then shut up.  If you know something, and it is real and you can verify, then be a hero and sound the alarm.  

Actually, we did have a similar circumstance some 3-4 years ago on this discussion board and yours truly sounded the alarm in as ethical and factual a manner as I possibly could concerning the Prairie Sands Club in Sutherland NE., that was a specious proposition by a developer that misrepresented the entire project and depth of support, and left a wasted couple hundred acres of blowing sand drifts behind.  But, I did the homework and went there, interviewed folks, and only put out information I could back up.  I'm no tower of virtue for speaking out on Prairie Sands, but I'd do it again.  I do care about my fellow golfers, and I care about scam projects ruining it for honest ones.  And, I care about a talented architect getting a reputation smeared by inuendo associated with a whisper campaign.  

So, I think most of us are asking Mrrs Drake and Frey, what's your point?
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rgkeller

Re:Harmony Club or timber clearing question
« Reply #47 on: January 06, 2005, 08:11:08 AM »
Two relevant definitions from dictionary.com

SCAM: A fraudulent business scheme; a swindle.

LIBEL: A false publication, as in writing, print, signs, or pictures, that damages a person's reputation.


Anthony_Nysse

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Re:Harmony Club or timber clearing question
« Reply #48 on: January 06, 2005, 11:29:53 AM »
I think that P Drake works for Fazio Design...... :'( ;)
Anthony J. Nysse
Director of Golf Courses & Grounds
Apogee Club
Hobe Sound, FL

Lou_Duran

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Re:Harmony Club or timber clearing question
« Reply #49 on: January 06, 2005, 12:27:19 PM »
You are wrong, Anthony, Fazio would never tolerate one of his people to be so negative or unkind to a competitor, at least, not in public.

Mr. Drake stated his opinions, unpopular as they are, and gave some reasons why he holds them.  I find Mr. Frey's comments and allegations much more troubling.  He is accusing Kent of some very serious stuff without any specifics or substantiation.  Mr. Frey, in my opinion, is way off base and should either put up or shut up.

While spending a week in the Lake Oconee area I got a sense that the golf business there may be getting very competitive.  Reynolds Plantation is doing very well with lot sales, but they still have a bunch of undeveloped land and the planning on a new Jim Engh private course is well underway.  Cuscowilla seems to be doing okay, but it has been for sale for some time.  Apparently, the Morrish course and real estate development just north, Harbor Club (?), is doing less well (the course is one of Mike Young's favorites in the area) and lot prices are lower than expected.

The bottom line is that during less than optimal times, competitors sometimes do and say things that they may not be too proud of.  For example, in talking to a real estate broker who I met by chance at the grocery store there, I learned that there were some bad feelings from the developers of one existing property toward the Harmony Club.  I had a hard time finding out what the specific issues were, but the crux of the matter appeared to be that they didn't think that the market could support so much golf, and since that they were there before, their position should be respected (a rather odd notion for real estate developers, many who tend to build when money is available regardless of the demand for the product or the impact on the market).

In any regard, I left ATL with the thought that the Harmony Club as is currently envisioned is a long shot.  However, when Dallas National was announced locally, right in the midst of the Clinton recession ( ;) can't help myself!), people just shook their heads (some in contempt) and thought that it would never get off the ground.   Needless to say, because of the vision, energy, and commitment of the developer (which greatly exceeded his financial ability), it has been an astounding success.  Here is hoping that Kent pulls it off as well.
 

 

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