The most unique green complex you have seen.

« **Reply #25 on:** August 25, 2004, 02:48:27 PM »

I suspect that the paths at Cruden Bay are for the use of trolleys a/k/a pull carts, in an effort to keep the traffic in certain locations. Our caddies said they were required to use trolleys, which if true, would mean that they are used more heavily there than on most other Scottish courses. I'd have to look at my pictures from elsewhere on the course to confirm this, but I seem to recall a fairly extensive network of these paths throughout the course.

Apropos to another thread dealing with buggies at Macrihanish, it could also be that the paths are primarily for the benefit of buggies when their use is permitted. Given the layout of the course in relation to the surrounding dunes, the club may have wanted to keep buggies restricted to paths so that the dunes are not damaged by buggy traffic.

« **Reply #26 on:** August 25, 2004, 03:11:48 PM »

Quote from: Tom MacWood on August 24, 2004, 01:30:33 PM

#10 Columbia, #14 Pebble Beach, #1 Winged Foot, 9th Arcadia Bluffs

Interesting you mention Columbia, Tom!
I brought Wayne, Craig, and Tom over there Monday to look at the Flynn holes (1 and 2), and we didn't have time to go over to #10.
We would've liked to. It's bizzare.

For those who haven't seen it, it's a downhill hole, and the green features about a four-five foot drop on the front left side of the green. It's actually part of the putting surface.

I have only seen the green once, and I imagine the hole locations are never on the bottom tier. Do you have any pictures of this to post?

It's almost hard to believe it's part of the green, it's that severe.

--I wonder if the USGA put a hole location ON the slope for the '21 Open

« **Reply #27 on:** August 25, 2004, 03:22:34 PM »

#6 at CC of Buffalo
#3 and #4 at Oak Hill (West)
#14 at The Ocean Course
#16 at Brook Lea (Two tiered with a pimple rising out of the slope.)

« **Reply #28 on:** August 25, 2004, 03:29:08 PM »

Having just come back from England and Wales, I would say almost any of the green complexes at Pennard. Each and every one was unique. Westward Ho! also had some green complexes that were astonishing. They rolled and bumped around the greens which were weel bunkered and themselves rolly polly.

« **Reply #29 on:** August 25, 2004, 08:04:28 PM »

#6 National Golf Links of America

« **Reply #30 on:** August 25, 2004, 08:18:01 PM »

#12 at Black Forest, a par three of 197 yds with a rolling/rolicking carpet ride for a green..

Tom Doak.. what were you thinking there?

« **Reply #31 on:** August 25, 2004, 08:43:35 PM »

The swale within the green there is natural ... I was trying to do an alternative to the Biarritz, where the swale itself was pinnable, and the back of the green was less often used. [There's really only one spot on the back tier, and it's too small at that.] It turned out a bit more severe than I would have liked; I should have had a bigger bulldozer!

If you liked that one you will love the 13th at Barnbougle Dunes. Maybe Greg Ramsay can post a picture of it, if he hasn't flattened it out since we left.

« **Reply #32 on:** August 26, 2004, 01:44:15 AM »

agree with 9 at yale - the best of its kind
8 and 9 at pv score high marks as there are 2 to choose from on each hole
# 12 at The National in Toronto (par 5) is insane.
The horseshoe par 3 at Forsgate
#11 at The Creek - not many greens are over 100 yards deep.
#4 at Fishers -because of the setting

« **Reply #33 on:** August 30, 2004, 11:15:05 AM »

Doug BRaunsdorf-- they definitely put the pin on that low tier at Columbia and do so often..

wildest green complex--Bairritz #13 at Elkridge--Silva just restored and it's incredible--about 80 paces deep with a huge swale...front portion has a thumbprint feature as well....nothing like being on the wrong half of the green!!

« **Reply #34 on:** August 30, 2004, 11:18:10 AM »

Quote from: david h. carroll on August 30, 2004, 11:15:05 AM

front portion has a thumbprint feature as well....

What is a "thumbprint feature"?

« **Reply #35 on:** August 30, 2004, 11:24:27 AM »

in the front portion, it's as if a giant thumb had pushed down a portion of the green about 2 feet deep--it's kind of a separate bowl within the front of the green

« **Reply #36 on:** August 30, 2004, 11:31:01 AM »

All of the shorts with soap dishes in the Raynor series,
Kingsley Club #13, I don't know what to call that! 4,9 there are unique too, I think.
Strantz has a half dozen of them on Tobacco Road, 6, 8, 9, 12, 15, 17 come to mind.
I used to call #5 Arcadia Bluffs a mutated Biarritz, but am leaning more to an exagerated double plateau moniker now.
17 Bayside, copied from 6 Riviera with bunker in middle.
Boxcar #7 Lawsonia.
#11 CC of Charleston
Heck, there are so many unique greens, where does one start and end...

« **Reply #37 on:** September 03, 2004, 02:50:59 PM »

Excuse me for bringing up an old thread, but I'm trying to make sure I know how to post images, and thought I would try this one of the 16th at North Berwick. The area on the left is all part of one green!

« **Reply #38 on:** January 23, 2007, 01:53:33 PM »

This is my first "post" guys and I am extremely anxious about all of you aficionados out there and what you believe.

The 13th at Elkridge is a very good imitation of “The Biarritz.” However, the depression in the middle of the green is too steep and therefore making it extremely difficult to mow. I have had the opportunity to play this course many times since its redo a few years ago. Elkridge needs to make a minor adjustment to the steepness and then they will have a really fine hole. I agree that the "Thumbprint" in the first half of the green is distinctive and adds a tremendous amount to playing the hole in the "short" position.

“The Biarritz” is imitated quite well at the 13th at Mid Ocean Golf Club in Bermuda, even though it has not been complete as a Biarritz for many years. The Agronomy Committee at MOC is considering placing it back into its original form. I will be playing Mountain Lake in Florida this weekend and reviewing hole #5 as another imitation of the Biarritz.

C.B. out did himself with the magnificent view from atop the very breezy, 13th tee, with a long short hole with a very substantial vertical drop. Even though there is no large hazard that we must sail over, the green was originally brought back towards the tee some 30 yards prior to the swale that now guards the front of the green. This trough is the perfect separation between the front and back of the green. If altered, the putting surface, as opposed to a very large area, currently devoted to fairway will be guarded by two long, narrow bunkers flanking either side of the green with the rear portion being flanked by two additional bunkers. I have played the hole for many years now without the true Biarritz, but if my information source is accurate, it will return in true form within the near future.

« **Reply #39 on:** January 23, 2007, 02:30:32 PM »

One of the World tournaments was played at a course in England last year. It had a par three with many of the features that inspired this thread in 2004.

« **Reply #40 on:** January 23, 2007, 03:29:58 PM »

The 13th at Chardonnay (Vineyards 9) is a five tiered boomerang green playing about 180. Highest tier on left, lowest on right. Another old thread
http://www.golfclubatlas.com/forums2/index.php?board=1;action=display;threadid=14724;start=msg252070#msg252070

« **Reply #41 on:** January 23, 2007, 03:37:29 PM »

The "Sitwell Park" green (13th) at Barnbougle Dunes is simply fascinating with a number of options for many putts. I made a two-putt on that green that was worth the green fee alone, it was exhilirating watching it meander this way and that to the hole.

11th green at Wildflower in Detroit Lakes, MN. A horseshoe shaped green with the arc at the front. The right side was elevated perhaps 2'0" above the left, with the middle section of the horseshoe cut to short-fringe height. A unique feature I have never seen anywhere else, and added to the complication normally associated with putting from one tier to the next.

TK

« **Reply #42 on:** January 23, 2007, 03:39:05 PM »

#5 at Bandon Trails

« **Reply #43 on:** January 23, 2007, 04:12:19 PM »

Quote from: Peter Pittock on January 23, 2007, 03:29:58 PM

The 13th at Chardonnay (Vineyards 9) is a five tiered boomerang green playing about 180. Highest tier on left, lowest on right. Another old thread
http://www.golfclubatlas.com/forums2/index.php?board=1;action=display;threadid=14724;start=msg252070#msg252070

Here is a pic of it, not exactly high res, but gives some idea of it.

« **Reply #44 on:** January 23, 2007, 04:16:06 PM »

That is one CRAZY green at Chardonnay - I've played it many times. In fact at one point in time they put three flagsticks on it... Red tees played to red flag, white to white, blue to blue. They stopped that pretty quickly but at the time it did make an odd sort of sense.

A very fun thing to do is try and putt from one end of that green to the other... the contours do allow all putts to work... but man does it take touch.

« **Reply #45 on:** January 23, 2007, 04:19:39 PM »

Quote from: Tom Huckaby on January 23, 2007, 04:16:06 PM

That is one CRAZY green at Chardonnay - I've played it many times. In fact at one point in time they put three flagsticks on it... Red tees played to red flag, white to white, blue to blue. They stopped that pretty quickly but at the time it did make an odd sort of sense.

A very fun thing to do is try and putt from one end of that green to the other... the contours do allow all putts to work... but man does it take touch.

I would agree Tom,

The one time I got out there, my first thought was what the hell is this? And it is a pretty narrow target depth wise, so you don't have to be straight, but you do have to hit it the right yardage or it made for a tough par.

« **Reply #46 on:** January 23, 2007, 04:22:36 PM »

I'm not sure what the general opinion of this hole is on GCA, but you have to give Mr. Dye credit. He made a very unique green site on the 18th at WS.

With the green being roughly the shape of a cross and the big creek running in front and to the left of the green complex, it makes for an intimidating finish.

« **Reply #47 on:** January 23, 2007, 04:32:56 PM »

#10 at Yale is pretty interesting, with the very steep tier that you can actually putt around to the lower front area using the outside slope.

A caddy at North Berwick told me that putts on the #16 ("Gate") green from front tier to back through the swale, or vice versa, should be played as if straight. We checked it out and he was right! The ball wanders down into the swale with a right to left break, and climbs back out with a left to right break. It all cancels out.

« **Reply #48 on:** January 23, 2007, 04:53:57 PM »

Green E (I think) at the Sheep Ranch. I think that's the one with the biggest hump I've ever seen on a green.

#8 at Newport National is also unique (though a bit gimmicky.) It is a rectangle (complete with corners) if viewed from above, but it have a pretty massive hump on one portion. It's probably one of my least favorite greens at the course, but it is unique.

« **Reply #49 on:** January 23, 2007, 05:11:28 PM »

I submit a vote for Nicklaus' 5th at Dismal.

Doak's 4th at Lost Dunes

The short 6th at NGLA

Cypress Point 9th

and lastly....somebody mentioned the 7th at Friars Head.

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