[George Pazin]

Jack v Tom.

Worth a look.

Those early holes still look pretty good to me.

 

[Gene Greco]

   Will always love Pebble, can't get enough of it. Can't think of very many places I'd rather play.



However, the burning question...... is Kelly T. still working for TGC?

[Patrick Kiser]

Played Sunday and let me tell ya...

Mind you I actually made no effort to do my homework etc. to prepare.  Just knew about the obvious "postcard" types pics we see for the 7th and 18th.

Dinky greens.  Oh my God!!!  Nothing broke to the Ocean on the seaside holes, so my putting took a beating.  There wasn't too much wind.  About 10 knots or so.  Grain didn't appear to break away from the Ocean.

Routing was rather pleasant.  Very walkable.

Most memorable stretch for me actually is the 6th though 9th.

I'll post something on this in a day or two kind of recapping more a "novice" perspective.

[Greg Holland]

However, the burning question...... is Kelly T. still working for TGC?

According to newspaper:
"Tilghman apologized in a statement Tuesday issued by the Golf Channel. "I used some poorly chosen words," she said. "I have known Tiger for 12 years and I have apologized directly to him. I also apologize to our viewers who may have been offended."

Golf Channel spokesman Dan Higgins said he was not aware of any disciplinary action Tilghman might face."

[Gene Greco]

Thanks, Greg. (And Paul T. for IM).


Back to the course.


George:

   Of the first five holes at PB, which is your favorite? Personally, I enjoy #3 the most as I am able to sling my hook around that "racetrack" off the tee and have been on more than one occasion left with difficult recoveries after hitting less than a good approach.

 A quiet, sneaky hard golf hole.

[PThomas]

i had the pleasure of playing PB once, about 15 years ago.......

what sucks is that I might never play there again due to the price and the fact that I think, in order to make a tee time in advance there, you have to stay at one of their hotels for TWO nights...and the cheapest room is $500!...so in effect the green fee is $1500

supply and demand....

[Tom Huckaby]

Gene:

Good call.  I have often sung the praises of the otherwise overlooked #3.

But have you seen it recently?

They put some serious bunkers out in the fairway, right side, pretty much straight off the tee.  I sure don't see this as an improvement.  Thoughts?

BTW Jack wins this match on TV right now, doesn't he?  As I recall justice was served.

 

[Gene Greco]

Gene:

Good call.  I have often sung the praises of the otherwise overlooked #3.

But have you seen it recently?

They put some serious bunkers out in the fairway, right side, pretty much straight off the tee.  I sure don't see this as an improvement.  Thoughts?

 

Thomas of Huckaby:

 I will see it again on Feb 18th the day before my 50th birthday and at that time will reassess.

Who recommended that said bunkers be placed? Who did the work?

Jack? Arnie?

Did Jack replace the par 3 5th during Arnie's reign of ownership?

[Mike Benham]

 I will see it again on Feb 18th the day before my 50th birthday and at that time will reassess.

I'll make sure the Crow's Nest has a spot for you upstairs in the bar  ...

[Tom Huckaby]

Gene:

I shall not comment on your birthday being the same as my mother's.  That is getting way too weird.  But congrats, my friend!

Please do comment after you see it...

Oh, I have no clue the answers to your questions about the whys and what fors.  I just know what I saw when I drove by there awhile back...

TH

[Kyle Henderson]

I played the course many times in video games and saw it on T.V. over the years. My only visit was during the Champion's Tour Tourney in October 2007.

From watching the vets play there:
I thought the first hole was more interesting than I expected -- principally because of the contours from tee to green --though not of world-class pedigree.

The fourth hole actually had a lot of interesting strategy as to where to play of the tee depending on whether a level stance, ideal approach angle, or shorter club is desired for the approach. I saw a high variety of club selection and fairway placment with tee shots, with each professional competitor playing to his strength. The amateur partners all seemed to bang away at driver and pay for it accordingly.

It may not be the best hole of the 1-5 strech, but it definitely exceeded my expectations to the largest degree.

http://www.pebblebeach.com/page.asp?id=1279

[Tom Huckaby]

Kyle:

I think 4 - like 18 - has benefited from today's technology.  By that I mean, on 4 there is now a realistic option for at least some golfers to perhaps not reach the green, but get very close - get it in a greenside bunker, which for a player who can hit it 320 uphill is likely an easy shot.  So you have now the TEMPTATION to go for the green, which didn't exist before.  Adding this to the options makes it better, I think!  But even outside of that, the range of choices for what to hit off the tee has always been pretty large; then you add in that execution there is paramount if one is to make 4 or less, given the bunkers, ocean right, very steep green... and the views and setting are pretty darn spectacular...and I think it is one hell of a great golf hole.

TH

[David Stamm]

However, the burning question...... is Kelly T. still working for TGC?

According to newspaper:
"Tilghman apologized in a statement Tuesday issued by the Golf Channel. "I used some poorly chosen words," she said. "I have known Tiger for 12 years and I have apologized directly to him. I also apologize to our viewers who may have been offended."

Golf Channel spokesman Dan Higgins said he was not aware of any disciplinary action Tilghman might face."

What did I miss? What happened?

[George Pazin]

George:

   Of the first five holes at PB, which is your favorite? Personally, I enjoy #3 the most as I am able to sling my hook around that "racetrack" off the tee and have been on more than one occasion left with difficult recoveries after hitting less than a good approach.

Gene:

I haven't had the pleasure of playing PB (yet ), though I did walk the course twice on separate visits to the area. The 4th and 6th were holes that really stand out in my mind - holes that my friend who walked with me said, "Why don't they show these more on TV?" But really, I could say that about a lot of the holes not located on the Pacific as well. Contrary to popular opinion on here, I don't view the course as half spectacular and half mundane.

A quiet, sneaky hard golf hole.

I'd guess you could say this about many of the non-glamour holes at Pebble.

P.S. to Huck -

It's still no Oakmont.

[Tom Huckaby]

George:

As an unabashed Pebble fan, I must say I sincerely appreciate the compliment and high praise you just gave in that PS.

 

[Jon Spaulding]

This Shell match was the first time I saw the entire course. At that time I was as infatuated with TW's swing as with the design.

I did get to talk to Grant Spaeth that day, so I've got that going for me, which is nice.

[Adam Clayman]

I heard the 18th took a bad pounding from this week's storm(s).

Bunker's on the outside edge of the 3rd hole's diagonal sounds like a horrible addition to an otherwise perfectly placed hole.  

I do not recall exactly when the new ownership took over, as it pertains to the creation of the new 5th. If it was under the new group, it was very early on. I suspect the ball had been rolling before that sale.

[Tom Huckaby]

Bunker's on the outside edge of the 3rd hole's diagonal sounds like a horrible addition to an otherwise perfectly placed hole.

I agree.  They sure didn't look right seeing them.. and I really don't get the value they add, either.  Hmmm.....

TH

[Matt_Cohn]

Especially - and I mentioned this over the summer - because in a US Open, it's so much better to be in a fairway bunker than in 5-inch rough.

[Matt_Cohn]

Now watching TOC on SWWOG on TGC.

Wonderful except for Ben Crenshaw saying "Paul Azinjer" over and over and over again.

[Bob_Huntley]

However, the burning question...... is Kelly T. still working for TGC?

According to newspaper:
"Tilghman apologized in a statement Tuesday issued by the Golf Channel. "I used some poorly chosen words," she said. "I have known Tiger for 12 years and I have apologized directly to him. I also apologize to our viewers who may have been offended."

Golf Channel spokesman Dan Higgins said he was not aware of any disciplinary action Tilghman might face."

What did I miss? What happened?

Please, what on earth did happen?

Bob

[PThomas]

Bob, during the last telecast while talking to Faldo about how hard it is to defeat Tiger, Kelly said that maybe the other players should go out and "lynch" (her word) Tiger...she has apologized and Tiger's agent has said it is no longer an issue

[Stan Dodd]

KT in her overly cute and hip style said that " the young golfers of today should lynch Tiger in a back alley (Parphrase)

[David Stamm]

Now watching TOC on SWWOG on TGC.

Wonderful except for Ben Crenshaw saying "Paul Azinjer" over and over and over again.

The game certainly misses Seve and his creativity and swashbuckling style, IMHO. Possibly the best short game ever.

[Kyle Henderson]

http://news.yahoo.com/s/afp/20080109/sp_wl_afp/golfuspgawoods


NEW YORK (AFP) - Tiger Woods saw no insult or ill will in a television commentator's comment that any golfer trying to test him might have to "lynch him in a back alley", Woods' agent said in a statement.
 
The Golf Channel's Kelly Tilghman made the comment during coverage of the US PGA Tour season-opening event in Hawaii on Friday while joking with English analyst Nick Faldo about Woods, who was not playing at the tournament.

Mark Steinberg, Woods' agent, issued a statement declaring the uproar regarding lynching and the first black golfer to win a major title was not a major concern.

"This story is a non-issue," Steinberg said. "Tiger and Kelly are friends and Tiger has a great deal of respect for Kelly. Regardless of the choice of words used we know unequivocally that there was no ill-intent in her comments.

"This story is a non-issue in our eyes. Case closed."

Tilghman said Tuesday in a statement that she meant no insult to Woods or offense to viewers.

"On Friday during our golf broadcast, Nick Faldo and I were discussing Tiger's dominance in the golf world and I used some poorly chosen words," she said.

"I have known Tiger for 12 years and I have apologized directly to him. I also apologize to our viewers who may have been offended by my comments."

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