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Jason Blasberg

Erin Hills 6 & 7 (the Dell) with pictures
« on: June 05, 2007, 10:55:38 PM »
Here’s the tee shot on the par 3 6th hole from the back tees, one of many natural saddles at EH:



The view back toward 5th Green:




6th tee shot from regular tees:



Here’s the preview of the 7th hole (the Dell) as you walk down the 6th so you can’t say you didn’t see the green!



 



Here’s the false front to 6 green:



Side view of 6 green:



6 green is very deep, here’s the view from the front left  looking toward the back of the green:



Here’s the same green looking back to front, 6 is one of the few greens that noticeably slopes front to back:



Here’s an excellent shot of the false front and then how the green runs toward the back after that:



Even the bathrooms are cool looking at EH:



Here’s a look down 10 fairway from 7 tee, for a course with grand scale the routing at EH manages to provide many previews and returns which is a much under appreciated routing feature.  Even with some long walks between certain tees these previews and returns gives EH an intimate feel for such a massive property.  In the foreground the pin to the "bye hole" can be seen.
 


Here’s the 7 (the Dell) tee shot, aim at the white rock.  The 8th greensite and backing bunker in the distance:



This is classic:



Call it hokey or what have you but I’ve never quite seen a green site like this one:



7 is about the least interesting contoured green on the course:



Still, as odd a sight as it is it sits naturally to my eye and while I’d rather play the “bye hole” (the 3 par in between 9and 10) on a daily basis as opposed to the Dell hole, it’s interesting to play once in a while:


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Dan Moore

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Re:Erin Hills 6 & 7 (the Dell) with pictures
« Reply #1 on: June 05, 2007, 11:43:33 PM »
Thanks.  

You can really see the expansive scale of the property.  

I hope that grass in the foreground off the picture of 10 is way out of play for the reasonably proficient player.    

Is 5 green tilted from left to right or will it funnel a shot to the back left so you don't have to challenge the front left bunker?
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Matt_Cohn

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Re:Erin Hills 6 & 7 (the Dell) with pictures
« Reply #2 on: June 06, 2007, 03:28:36 AM »
*Is the rough as thick as it looks around the punchbowl?

*Do they move the rock if the pin is left or right of center?

Jason Blasberg

Re:Erin Hills 6 & 7 (the Dell) with pictures
« Reply #3 on: June 06, 2007, 06:47:03 AM »


I hope that grass in the foreground off the picture of 10 is way out of play for the reasonably proficient player.  
 

The high rough is not bad and really out of play if you hit it halfway straight off the tee.  I'm pretty erratic with the driver and lost only 1 ball in the junk.  I found two others and was able to play out.  In fact on 2 I stuck a wedge from the junk to about 12 feet!

You can really score at EH.  I didn't make a birdie except a two putt birdie on 14 and made a sloppy double on 18 to shot 79.  It really should have been 74 if I putted okay and managed my way around the course better.


Is 5 green tilted from left to right or will it funnel a shot to the back left so you don't have to challenge the front left bunker?

5 green is tilted left to right and where we had the pin I took it over the bunker but it stayed left of the hole but the greens were slow so the contours were real tame.  

Jason Blasberg

Re:Erin Hills 6 & 7 (the Dell) with pictures
« Reply #4 on: June 06, 2007, 06:49:11 AM »
*Is the rough as thick as it looks around the punchbowl?

*Do they move the rock if the pin is left or right of center?

Yes and yes.  

i'm told they are only letting the rough grow in and will then cut it down and they move the rock.  

After looking at the pics of Lahinch's Dell this one looks pretty lame.  I think its a good idea but the "bye hole" is a nasty little monster that from 135-155 yards is a brute and better hole than the Dell by a long shot.  

Dan Moore

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Re:Erin Hills 6 & 7 (the Dell) with pictures
« Reply #5 on: June 06, 2007, 09:35:11 AM »
Am I seeing the Dell correctly, that there isn't a hill to hit over on the approach to the green?  Not that having to hit a high shot oven an obstacle presents the challenege it once did, such a shot can still be quite fun.  The flat approach to a green tucked blindly in a valley seems rather tame to me, but maybe I'm seeing things.  
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Jeff Doerr

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Re:Erin Hills 6 & 7 (the Dell) with pictures
« Reply #6 on: June 06, 2007, 09:55:31 AM »
*Is the rough as thick as it looks around the punchbowl?

*Do they move the rock if the pin is left or right of center?

Yes and yes.  

i'm told they are only letting the rough grow in and will then cut it down and they move the rock.  

After looking at the pics of Lahinch's Dell this one looks pretty lame.  I think its a good idea but the "bye hole" is a nasty little monster that from 135-155 yards is a brute and better hole than the Dell by a long shot.  

From what I have seen I agree on the "bye" hole vs. the Dell. Did you get a good look at, and get the play the "bye" hole?
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Tiger_Bernhardt

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Re:Erin Hills 6 & 7 (the Dell) with pictures
« Reply #7 on: June 06, 2007, 11:00:36 AM »
Does anyone want to play Erin Hills Wednesday the 13th at 3:00PM? I am a tee time.

Jason Blasberg

Re:Erin Hills 6 & 7 (the Dell) with pictures
« Reply #8 on: June 06, 2007, 11:08:48 AM »
Am I seeing the Dell correctly, that there isn't a hill to hit over on the approach to the green?  Not that having to hit a high shot oven an obstacle presents the challenege it once did, such a shot can still be quite fun.  The flat approach to a green tucked blindly in a valley seems rather tame to me, but maybe I'm seeing things.  

You're seeing it correctly, the approach is flat.  Compared to Lahinch it's very tame.  The Bye Hole is a far superior hole.

Jason Blasberg

Re:Erin Hills 6 & 7 (the Dell) with pictures
« Reply #9 on: June 06, 2007, 11:11:02 AM »


From what I have seen I agree on the "bye" hole vs. the Dell. Did you get a good look at, and get the play the "bye" hole?

Jeff:

I played it, and it's a drop shot three par to a postage stamp green that is very well bunkered.  

Picture to follow  . . .


Evan Fleisher

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Re:Erin Hills 6 & 7 (the Dell) with pictures
« Reply #10 on: June 06, 2007, 03:18:04 PM »
Am I seeing the Dell correctly, that there isn't a hill to hit over on the approach to the green?  Not that having to hit a high shot oven an obstacle presents the challenege it once did, such a shot can still be quite fun.  The flat approach to a green tucked blindly in a valley seems rather tame to me, but maybe I'm seeing things.  

Dan,

you are correct...it is simply a "flat" tee shot down into a hidden valley, nothing to hit up and over, just down.
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Geoffrey Childs

Re:Erin Hills 6 & 7 (the Dell) with pictures
« Reply #11 on: June 06, 2007, 04:03:04 PM »
Jason

I think your analysis from this and the other thread matches my enthusiasm for Erin Hills pretty well.

I would tweak the first hole, possibly the 10th green (2nd green is fine -both Noel and I hit it or were a foot off on the fringe) and a bit of bunkering and mowing but it has huge potential. One great feature is the variety and flexibility of the tees.  As was pointed out previously, #11 can play equially well as a 470 yard par 4 or a drivable 315 yarder.  To me the weakness is the par 3's which as you picture of 6 and 7 showed are pretty bland.

I totally agree that there is ample room to play (we played pretty firm with a lot of run in October).  I played very well that day but lost one ball 6 inches into the long stuff and didn't bother to look for more then a breif moment and hit about 12 greens.  It played pretty short for the card yardage but I was striking it well.

Jim Colton

Re:Erin Hills 6 & 7 (the Dell) with pictures
« Reply #12 on: June 06, 2007, 05:05:16 PM »


I hope that grass in the foreground off the picture of 10 is way out of play for the reasonably proficient player.  
 

The high rough is not bad and really out of play if you hit it halfway straight off the tee.  I'm pretty erratic with the driver and lost only 1 ball in the junk.  I found two others and was able to play out.  In fact on 2 I stuck a wedge from the junk to about 12 feet!

You can really score at EH.  I didn't make a birdie except a two putt birdie on 14 and made a sloppy double on 18 to shot 79.  It really should have been 74 if I putted okay and managed my way around the course better.


Is 5 green tilted from left to right or will it funnel a shot to the back left so you don't have to challenge the front left bunker?

5 green is tilted left to right and where we had the pin I took it over the bunker but it stayed left of the hole but the greens were slow so the contours were real tame.  

Which tees did you play?  They are hosting a Pub Links qualifier this week and I wonder what kind of scores will get posted.

Patrick Glynn

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Dell
« Reply #13 on: June 06, 2007, 05:09:02 PM »
I have heard nothing but good things about Erin Hills - it looks like one hell of a course. BUT to compare their "Dell" to Lahinch's is an insult. From those pics, it looks totally non-descript and seems to be a cash in on the name more than anything else. IMHO of course!  ;)

Jeff Goldman

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Re:Dell
« Reply #14 on: June 06, 2007, 05:57:24 PM »
I have heard nothing but good things about Erin Hills - it looks like one hell of a course.


Possibly not:

"Errant Hills Award: Erin Hills, Hartford, Wisc. A much-ballyhooed new co-design of Golf Digest architecture editor Ron Whitten and professional designers Michael Hurdzan and Dana Fry. ..... The U.S. Golf Association heralds it as a likely future U.S. Open site, but the routing is a mess, in large part because Whitten insisted on moving no dirt at all – thereby taking trendy “minimalism” to its absurd extreme. The raw site is great, but half a dozen holes are inexcusably awkward and much of the bunkering is overexcavated and unmaintainable. The 593-yard par-5 10th hole offers a blind, fall away Biarritz green; the short par-4 second putting surface ends before it begins; and the completely blind par-3 seventh “Dell Hole” plays up and over to the bottom of a vast taco shell. They should have thought “inside the bun” on this one."

One of Brad's funniest reviews.  


That was one hellacious beaver.

Ari Techner

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Re:Erin Hills 6 & 7 (the Dell) with pictures
« Reply #15 on: June 07, 2007, 01:34:21 AM »
I just got back from 2 rounds at Erin Hills over the last week and I came away VERY impressed.  It is one heck of a site and golf course.  I do agree though that the "Bye Hole" is a better hole than the Dell Hole, the "Bye Hole" could be the most interesting Par 3 on the property.  
This is a course that imo should be seen by everyone on this site.  I don't see the criticism personally.  There are quite a few blind shots, especially if you are in the wrong place, but I didn't have trouble at all either time around and I didn't have a caddy and blind shots add character imo.  The tree on the first hole is pretty much out of play unless you really pull your 2nd shot.  And even then if your shot is heading towards the tree it would likely end up in the high grass left.  The play is to layup far right in the fairway which would give you a better angle into the long part of the green than the left side anyways.  The first round we played from the 7200 yard tees with modern drivers on a dry day with some roll in the fairways.  The second round we played from the 6550 tees with Persimmon on a wet day after much rain without much roll.  Both times we had a blast and the course played great.  I thought the course had an abundance of interesting holes and shots and a huge amount of variety and character.  It is young still but will be something to behold once it really grows in.  The stretch of 11-15 is especially world class.  I am already itching to go back and I just left.  

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