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Nathaniel Amrine

Milham Park - Michigan's Best Public Course - Now W/Pics
« on: June 04, 2007, 10:29:30 AM »
Milham Park in Kalamazoo was just named the #1 public course in Michigan per the 2007 Michigan's Best insert that The Detroit News prints yearly. The voting is based on nearly 110,000 public opinions on Michigan hot spots. Considering Kalamazoo is nearly 150 miles from Detroit this is great.

It's significance? Of all Michigan courses recieving national recognition, a $24 daily fee municipal course wins a prominent award.

As a Western Michigan University graduate I played this course daily for 4 years and a passion for architecture grew from it. The layout here is fantastic, the people/members are a pleasure to be around and the focus is completely on golf. It is a very challenging and entertaining routing on only 80 acres!

I may post some of my pictures later for those of you who have never seen it. If you get the opportunity passing through Kalamazoo, play Angels Crossing, play Yarrow but dont forget to check out Milham Park - you won't be dissapointed. It's a gem.
« Last Edit: June 05, 2007, 02:24:26 PM by Nathaniel Amrine »

Doug Sobieski

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Re:Milham Park - Michigan's Best Public Course (DetNews)
« Reply #1 on: June 04, 2007, 10:37:03 AM »
Nathaniel:

I'd love to see pictures some time! I only played the course once back in 1984, during the internationally acclaimed Greater Kalamazoo Junior Masters. To this day, that is among the greatest victories of my career  ;D

Truly, I don't remember much about the course and would like to refresh my memory.

Thanks!!

John_McMillan

Re:Milham Park - Michigan's Best Public Course (DetNews)
« Reply #2 on: June 04, 2007, 03:47:15 PM »
I've never played Milham Park, but I think the #1 in Michigan ranking says more about the Detroit News golf poll than it does about the course.

Doing a little "google research," the course plays 6,578 yards from the blue tees, along with a pro shop and 30 tee driving range - all on 80 acres.  The course builders in 1931 (front 9) and 1936 (back 9), must have used one giant-sized shoehorn to get all that to fit.


Nathaniel Amrine

Re:Milham Park - Michigan's Best Public Course (DetNews)
« Reply #3 on: June 04, 2007, 08:31:08 PM »
Well, the Detroit News claims that 110,000 ballots were filled. How can you explain a municipal course over 100 miles away claiming the number one spot in Michigan?

It must be very special to those who have played it and left quite the impression.

Consider the majority of Detroit News readers and where they have the power to play golf in this state and that alone speaks volumes of Milham's character.

Steve_ Shaffer

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Re:Milham Park - Michigan's Best Public Course (DetNews)
« Reply #4 on: June 04, 2007, 09:09:42 PM »
Not having played the course,I'd hazard a guess that there was ballot stuffing involved just like in the Places to Play in Golf Digest.
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Nathaniel Amrine

Re:Milham Park - Michigan's Best Public Course (DetNews)
« Reply #5 on: June 04, 2007, 11:30:54 PM »
Phhewwww! Tough love.

I've brought this conversation to the wrong place; kool-aid to a wine tasting party if you will.

For a discussion group built on finding architectual inspiration and diamonds in the rough, Milham has been "poo-pooed".

Maybe another discussion on the vanilla Michigan Golf Digest rankings or Tullymore/St. Ives would have been appropriate.

« Last Edit: June 04, 2007, 11:42:38 PM by Nathaniel Amrine »

Jim Nugent

Re:Milham Park - Michigan's Best Public Course (DetNews)
« Reply #6 on: June 05, 2007, 01:23:32 AM »
Nathaniel, I hope you post some pictures, and also give some commentary on what makes the course special.  

Joe Hancock

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Re:Milham Park - Michigan's Best Public Course (DetNews)
« Reply #7 on: June 05, 2007, 08:03:08 AM »
Nathaniel,

Don't be dismayed. This type of discussion is normal, and the real meat of each topic eventually is revealed.

Like Jim, I would like to hear more about the course, the routing, etc. Ratings make everyone edgy, so take ratings comments for what they're worth.

Joe
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Dan Moore

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Re:Milham Park - Michigan's Best Public Course (DetNews)
« Reply #8 on: June 05, 2007, 10:10:40 AM »
Nathaniel,

Likewise I would like to hear about the course, who designed it and why some, including you, thought it was so good. please don't let comments from some who admit not having played the course dissuade you.  What about the layout is fantastic and lead to your interest in architecture?  I'd love to see photos if you have them.  
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John Kavanaugh

Re:Milham Park - Michigan's Best Public Course (DetNews)
« Reply #9 on: June 05, 2007, 10:41:06 AM »

John Kavanaugh

Re:Milham Park - Michigan's Best Public Course (DetNews)
« Reply #10 on: June 05, 2007, 10:47:03 AM »
These guys do not know their dougnuts, no way is Dunkin better than every mom and pop in the state.

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Nathaniel Amrine

Re:Milham Park - Michigan's Best Public Course (DetNews)
« Reply #11 on: June 05, 2007, 01:58:56 PM »
Background:
Milham Park Municipal Course is located in Kalamazoo, MI and is owned and operated by the Kalamazoo Golf Association. The property is only 80 acres but contains a 6600 yd championship caliber golf course along with a very accommodating club house/pro shop and an exceptional practice facility. The only thing lacking on this small piece of land is adequate parking for weekend play! How is the land utilized? The club house sits at the highest point on the property, on the outskirts of the original park where there was originally a petting zoo, playground, and recreation area. Since it's conception the zoo has been removed but the
park remains near and dear to the hearts of many Kalamazoo residences.

Milham Park has upwards of 1000 members! The original nine holes (front nine) was built in 1931 and the following nine was constructed in 1936 with the assistance of Robert Millar, the original golf professional at Milham.

What is significant about Robert Millar?
He was an advocate of allowing black players as members and thus Jessie Owens was a member at Milham Park. Robert Millar began his career as a playing professional in North Berwick before being appointed to Kalamazoo after emigration at age 23.

Course Stuff
Most courses built on 80 acres would seem to have very little character or have a simple parallel fairway design to conserve space. At Milham, no two consecutive holes on the front nine run parallel to each other and on the back only three holes are consecutively parallel - however, each has their own flavor.

Milham has challenging greenside bunkering and wavy greens sloped primarily from back to front. A great example of this is the challenging par 4 6th hole, a slightly downhill 460 yd gem that requires a tee shot over a valley onto a landing area sloping towards a large fairway bunker and tall oak tree. The long approach requires a running uphill shot through a narrow corridor guarded by bunkers. This is the number one handicapped hole.

There are several elevation changes on Milham's 80 acre layout. The highest points on the course are all uphill approach shots; the 3rd green, 5th green, and 16th green are all examples of this. I wish I had a picture of the 16th hole - a fantastic 316 yd par 4 that requires a precise tee shot over scattered fairway bunkers and greenside bunkers.  Several low-handicappers are tempted to go for it in one. But a shot out of any of the bunkers requires low trajectory under tall trees. This could be the difference between a respectable round and a disastrous one.

Holes of Note
Milham inspired my architectural interest and sparked an obsession in golf course photography. I am sorry that I don't have more pictures but these are what I found from my college years.

3rd Hole - Par 4 - 360 yds

A perfect tee shot here will leave you roughly 30 yards infront of the man on the left side of the fairway. This is a downhill tee shot to a fairway sloping heavily towards the collection area on the left side of the fairway 50 yards short of the middle greenside bunker (off the man's right shoulder). The approach is 20 ft uphill towards a green sloping back-to-front. A perfect tee shot and an approach into the rear bunker will undoubtedly lead to a double bogey.

The purpose of the greenside bunkers is not to protect the flag from approach shots but to catch ego driven men from pounding 330 yd drives. This green, while inviting looking from the tee is actually near impossible to catch off the tee.

4th Hole - Par 3 - 170 Yards



Two sets of tee boxes (pictures show green from both) make this Milham's signature hole, wrapped around a small pond. On the other side of the pond families gather to have picnics and watch tee shots. Over the years the superintendent has had problems with this green dying and the course has lost it completely over the last 50 years. Last season the course implemented a tree removal program behind the green to allow for more sunlight to reach the green - one of the fastest on the course. When the flag is hidden behind the bunker it is the most difficult up and down on the course.

The beauty of this hole is undeniable from both sets of tees. One is a forced carry between tall trees and over the bunker, the other a 150 yd carry over the pond wedged between the tree line and bunker.


Hole 7 - Par 3 - 200 yds

The 2nd of Milham's fantastic par 3's is this 200 yarder entirely up-hill and again flanked on all sides by greenside bunkers. Contrary to the first several holes, the apex of this green is near the middle. The golfer wont realize though that being short and left here is the most beneficial place to be. This hole requires a slight fade, but anything started too far left will catch a huge willow tree.


Hole 9 - Par 4 - 370 yds


At this point on the front nine, golfers will undoubtedly remember the 3rd hole in both style and demand. What wont they expect? A similar tee shot left will be left dead in the water. The shading here hides the fact that a fairway bunker is hidden below the towering oak. Any tee shot left into the collection area will require a draw around the tree or a   low line drive uphill to the pin. The American flag always flies in the background here - a wonderful way to end the front nine.

Hole 13 - Par 3 - 118 yds


The last par 3 at Milham is deception at it's best. The tee shot MUST be long here - but a novice to Milham will not be able to see the ample landing area behind the pin. To the naked eye, it appears as though the pin (no matter where it's location) is actually sticking out of the bunker on the left or right! This green funnels everything to the center but is hidden by the small apple tree on the left and sweeping bunker faces.

I wish I had the rest of the pictures from Milham. The 10th, 16th, 17th and 18th are all incredible holes as well.

Questions?

Dan Moore

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Re:Milham Park - Michigan's Best Public Course (DetNews)
« Reply #12 on: June 05, 2007, 02:24:10 PM »
I like the 118 yd uphill par 3.  Those bunkers make the hole.  
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Jason Blasberg

Re:Milham Park - Michigan's Best Public Course - Now W/Pics
« Reply #13 on: June 05, 2007, 02:30:35 PM »
Last time I was in Kalamazoo was to play against the Kalamazoo K-Wings in the middle of winter 16 years ago.

I'd have rather been there in June playing Milham Park.  
« Last Edit: June 05, 2007, 02:30:54 PM by JKBlasberg »

Chris_Blakely

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Re:Milham Park - Michigan's Best Public Course - Now W/Pics
« Reply #14 on: June 05, 2007, 04:38:17 PM »
Nathaniel Amrine :

Is there a link to the Detroit News article.  Did they give only the best course in the state or did they provide a top 10 to 15?

Thanks,
Chris

Jason Blasberg

Re:Milham Park - Michigan's Best Public Course - Now W/Pics
« Reply #15 on: June 05, 2007, 04:41:26 PM »
Doesn't that 7th look a treat!  

Jason

Its a shame at what the UHL has become eh.  They need some serious injection of teams or the the whole kit and kaboodle will go under.  Which team did you play for?

Ciao

Sean,  it was American Junior A.  At the time we played in the NAJHL.  I played for the Jr. Red Wings.  I think after I left the league it became the USHL or something like that but I'm not sure.

Tim Leahy

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Re:Milham Park - Michigan's Best Public Course - Now W/Pics
« Reply #16 on: June 05, 2007, 05:23:12 PM »
Nathaniel or anyone who has played this course recently, is the course kept in excellent shape? ie: fast firm greens, good grass in fairways, sand in the traps. Or do you believe it gets a high rating based on layout, value or something else. At least here in Cali I think alot of great public layouts get severely downgraded for poor upkeep and bad greens. I just wondered if if was the same in the Midwest or because of the bad winter factor if maint. was overlooked.
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Steve_ Shaffer

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Re:Milham Park - Michigan's Best Public Course - Now W/Pics
« Reply #17 on: June 05, 2007, 05:43:48 PM »
Sometimes, in newspaper polls, best means most popular. It looks like an interesting,fun course to play and is probably very reasonable in cost for locals. This accounts for the popularity factor regardless of whether the ballot was stuffed. I've seen newspaper polls anoint a chain restaurant over a locally owned classic. Where did Belvedere place?
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Nathaniel Amrine

Re:Milham Park - Michigan's Best Public Course - Now W/Pics
« Reply #18 on: June 05, 2007, 07:03:00 PM »
How could this be a popularity contest?

FUN FACT:

Milham Park lies on the exact midpoint in distance between Chicago and Detroit. This is a Detroit paper that released this rating - based on a Kalamazoo course. Kalamazoo has it's own fine newspaper and is nearly 2½ hours away!!!

Chris_Blakely

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Re:Milham Park - Michigan's Best Public Course - Now W/Pics
« Reply #19 on: June 05, 2007, 09:13:04 PM »
Nathaniel Amrine:

Is there a link for the Detroit News article?

I have not played Milham Park.  But, have you played the following in the Kalamazoo area:  Marywood, Angels Crossing or Yarrow?  How do they stack up to Milham?

Have you played any of the following in Michigan:  Arcadia Bluffs, Marquette CC - Greywalls, Eagle Eye, Pilgrim's Run, Westwynd, or High Pointe?

Thanks,
Chris

Nathaniel Amrine

Re:Milham Park - Michigan's Best Public Course - Now W/Pics
« Reply #20 on: June 05, 2007, 09:37:26 PM »
The only link that I have found is a small blurb off of their sports section that was mentioned above. Otherwise, my friend called me and told me about the insert in the Detroit News.

Milham Park has a sister course, Eastern Hills, which is located on the other side of town and consists of 27 holes. Although Eastern Hills is not the caliber of Milham in terms of layout you simply cannot find better conditioned courses in the area.

How does it stack up against Yarrow and Angels Crossing?
Yarrow is one of my favorite courses, but it does rely heavily on the "wow" factor from each tee. Yarrow is also situated on the most dramatic piece of property in the area, it's beyond words how beautiful it is. Hearn was fortunate enough to run into it after a tornado tore through the retreat before a golf course was even considered. As far as I am aware the tornado was the main router of the course. I have several pictures from Yarrow which I can post in a few hours.

Angels Crossing, as I am sure several posters will chime in, was a - no pun intended - blessing. Although the property is not as dramatic as Yarrow the architecture is classic.

I would rate Milham Park slightly behind Angels Crossing, even with Yarrow, but ahead of Thornapple Creek, the Gull Lake View resort courses, Island Hills and the Medalist.

It's important to remember the original intention for the layout was a park.

If you're ever on the "Muni-kick", a trio of Milham, Binder Park and L.E. Kaufman can all be played under $70. Total. Best bargain around.
« Last Edit: June 05, 2007, 09:37:41 PM by Nathaniel Amrine »

Anthony_Nysse

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Re:Milham Park - Michigan's Best Public Course - Now W/Pics
« Reply #21 on: June 06, 2007, 05:50:29 AM »
Nathan,
  I lived in Michigan for 23 of the glorious 26 years that I've been on this earth. I find it quite funny that the Detroit News rates this course as the best public. It's not even the best muni in the sate-That honor goes to L.E. Kaufman in Grand Rapids. On top of that, it's conditioning rivals any private club!

Tony Nysse
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Long Cove Club
HHI, SC
Anthony J. Nysse
Director of Golf Courses & Grounds
Apogee Club
Hobe Sound, FL

Chris_Blakely

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Re:Milham Park - Michigan's Best Public Course - Now W/Pics
« Reply #22 on: June 06, 2007, 08:18:08 AM »
I have had LE Kaufman and Milham Park on my radar and have just not made it out there.  If you have not played Marywood CC in Battle Creek, you should give it a play.

John_McMillan

Re:Milham Park - Michigan's Best Public Course - Now W/Pics
« Reply #23 on: June 06, 2007, 06:30:08 PM »
With the link to the Detroit News article, I find that the best Italian Restaurant in Michigan is ...

The Olive Garden!

Milham park looks like a fine golf course, and probably one that has flown under many radar screens - but I have still have my doubts about whether it is the BEST public course in the state of Michigan.

Steve_ Shaffer

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Re:Milham Park - Michigan's Best Public Course - Now W/Pics
« Reply #24 on: June 06, 2007, 07:59:54 PM »
See my post#18 above. Olive Garden is the best Italian restaurant in MI? It may be the most popular just as Milham Park apparently is the most popular golf course. Best is another story.

The Dallas News rates golf courses in TX by having a panel of golf pros and top amateurs and golf writers rate courses using established criteria instead of having readers vote in a popularity contest.

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