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Philip Gawith

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Trevose/St Enodoc
« on: April 19, 2007, 06:18:18 PM »
I had the good fortune to play both these courses this week (tragically a camera malfunction prevented me taking pics despite wonderful weather).

 My sense is that Trevose is generally regarded as the poor relation of the two - and even if its own right, not that well regarded by some on this site.

Certainly I would agree that St Enodoc is the superior course - it is such an exceptional piece of land with many great holes. Indeed, playing it alone at 7am on a peerless day, I can honestly say that I doubt I have ever enjoyed golf more - even if my golf was a bit ropey!

Having said that, if you can't enjoy a round at Trevose, then your intellect has definitely triumphed over your soul. Especially -  Sean! - at 35 pounds after 3.30pm. While Trevose lacks some of the exceptional terrain that makes St Enodoc a stand-out course, it remains a great property - when you stand on the top tee of the 11th hole, you can see the entire course (maybe that is one common feature with Muirfield, another Colt links).

Played into the prevailing wind I suspect that the 4th and the 5th at Trevose are tougher than any holes at St Enodoc, bar the eccentric 10th. And the 4th is a great hole - a testing dog-leg par four with a blind approach to a green with the beach and the sea right behind it. Other holes I enjoyed include the one-shotters - 3, 8, 11 and 16 - a mixed and challenging set, 12, 14, 15 and 17. I thought the greens were quite challenging - very firm and difficult to get your ball close.

I think one of the criticisms of the course was that it was too open - something they have sought to address by adding a lot of new bunkers (on most holes you can tell there are 1-2 new ones). I don't know enough about what went before to judge the success of the changes.

I think there have also been some changes at St Enodoc - you could tell that the 16th green was new and different - stands out a bit like some of Donald Steel's work at Hoylake.

On the way down I played at Yelverton in Dartmoor - I will post some pics soon. I think we should have a GCA event some time that takes in these three courses.

[A note re St Enodoc - Having had my 10 ft par putt slip past the hole on the 10th at St Enodoc, I am perhaps not as militant re the hole as before. It is still a bit strange to play a hole that forces you to play 220 plus 230 - and there isn't really another option - to get to the green, but it is possible. But for the originality of the hole, and the church, and the wonderful mound/hill behind it - with a wonderful bench on it - to see all this at 8.30am on a gorgeous day, is to forgive!]

Sean_A

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Re:Trevose/St Enodoc
« Reply #1 on: April 19, 2007, 06:30:31 PM »
Having said that, if you can't enjoy a round at Trevose, then your intellect has definitely triumphed over your soul. Especially -  Sean! - at 35 pounds after 3.30pm.

Philip

I love when you talk sweetly in my ear!  I think you are spot on about your comments concerning both Trevose and St. Enodoc.  I much prefer St. Enodoc, but Trevose has its merits.  I am especially pleased that you are coming round on #10.  I think everybody deserves the opportunity to take aim at the church and try to whip a wood round the bend.  That is one of the single shot highlites of St. Enodoc.  

So they have moved #16 green further back into the dunes.  Is the hole still reachable in two - I thihnnk they were looking at an increase of something like 50 yards and the green being a bit higher?  When a member was explaining the change to me I thought it could turn out very well if the work was done properly.  

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Tommy Williamsen

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Re:Trevose/St Enodoc
« Reply #2 on: April 19, 2007, 07:26:27 PM »
I generally don't speak ill of golf courses.  Nonetheless, having played both last year, I don't ever feel the need to return to Trevose.   I would rather play St. Enodoc in the dark first.
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Paul_Turner

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Re:Trevose/St Enodoc
« Reply #3 on: April 19, 2007, 08:47:44 PM »
Yeah Trevose is pretty good, if not great.  Would love to see it on a bright day looking out to Booby Bay.

Reminds me of Elie in Scotland. And Sligo in Ireland.

Some older grainy photos:

http://www.golfclubatlas.com/forums2/index.php?board=1;action=display;threadid=13643;start=msg232540#msg232540
« Last Edit: April 22, 2007, 04:13:35 PM by Paul_Turner »
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Philip Gawith

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Re:Trevose/St Enodoc
« Reply #4 on: April 20, 2007, 03:04:55 AM »
Thanks for posting your pictures Paul. I think they, and the comments in that other thread,  draw out very well what is attractive about Trevose. It is always going to suffer in a side-by-side comparison with St Enodoc, but very, very few courses fall into that "magical" category. By any other standard it is a joy to play. It reminds me a little of Brora inasmuch as I think there are a few courses where you have a similar sense of openness.

Sean - re the 16th at St Enodoc. It is reachable in two - still just under 500 yards on the card - but obviously plays longer being uphill, so requires two good hits.

Ed Tilley

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Re:Trevose/St Enodoc
« Reply #5 on: April 20, 2007, 03:45:51 AM »

Indeed, playing it alone at 7am on a peerless day, I can honestly say that I doubt I have ever enjoyed golf more - even if my golf was a bit ropey!



I love that comment. I've played some great courses on my own first thing in the morning - on holiday with my non golfing family. It really is a special feeling, almost being on the course on your own.

I must admit, I've never played Trevose and I don't really have any desire to. I'm going on a 3 day golf trip later this year - Burnham & Berrow, St. Enodoc, and Perranporth. Even though we'll be staying quite close to Trevose, I haven't even considered playing it.

Maybe I'll come round to the merits of number 10 at St.Enodoc when I visit again but I doubt it!


Ed Tilley

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Re:Trevose/St Enodoc
« Reply #6 on: April 20, 2007, 04:00:28 AM »
The attached link to St.Enodoc's online magazine has a couple of before / after shots of the 16th green.

http://www.st-enodoc.co.uk/pdfs/GCMagazine.pdf

It also mentions that the 13th green has been changed and that the 17th tee has been re-aligned due to the work on the 16th green.

Philip Gawith

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Re:Trevose/St Enodoc
« Reply #7 on: April 20, 2007, 04:03:36 AM »
Ed - you should open your mind to Trevose! Why might you not have any desire to play it? Don't Paul Turner's pics, and some of the comments in this and the thread that links to his pics convince you otherwise (ignoring Tommy of course)? Perranporth is a quirky course, but give me Trevose any day

Ed Tilley

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Re:Trevose/St Enodoc
« Reply #8 on: April 20, 2007, 04:16:32 AM »
Ed - you should open your mind to Trevose! Why might you not have any desire to play it? Don't Paul Turner's pics, and some of the comments in this and the thread that links to his pics convince you otherwise (ignoring Tommy of course)? Perranporth is a quirky course, but give me Trevose any day

Philip,

The pics just don't inspire me. Also, St.Enodoc and Perranporth are two of my absolute favourite courses and I wouldn't want to skip either of them. Burnham & Berrow is also superb and is very convenient on the way down. One day I'll play it I'm sure.

I think Perranporth is unfairly dismissed as a quirky course. It has some absolutely outstanding holes - a fact that is often overlooked. Holes 4, 6, 7, 11, 14, 16, an 17 are just outstanding and are not really quirky at all (discounting the blind drive at 7). When you factor in the fantastic 2,3,5,12, & 13 - which are unusual to say the least - I think it should be described as a quality course. It's also £20 for a day with a voucher.

Ed

Sean_A

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Re:Trevose/St Enodoc
« Reply #9 on: April 20, 2007, 04:18:55 AM »
Ed - you should open your mind to Trevose! Why might you not have any desire to play it? Don't Paul Turner's pics, and some of the comments in this and the thread that links to his pics convince you otherwise (ignoring Tommy of course)? Perranporth is a quirky course, but give me Trevose any day

Philip

I like Trevose as much for the family atmosphere as the course - its very unusual in the UK.  However, I much prefer Perranporth to Trevose.  I would take time away from St. Enodoc for Perranporth, but not for Trevose.  I see West Country golf as

St. Enodoc

Burnham
Saunton East
Perranporth
Westward Ho!
Saunton West

Trevose-West Cornwall

I have heard some good things (not gushing) about Weston-super-Mare, I would like to play it some day.  Jeepers, looking at this lineup is quite impressive.  I find it amazing that folks ignore this stretch time and again for the likes of Scotland and Ireland.  

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Ed Tilley

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Re:Trevose/St Enodoc
« Reply #10 on: April 20, 2007, 04:25:19 AM »
Ed - you should open your mind to Trevose! Why might you not have any desire to play it? Don't Paul Turner's pics, and some of the comments in this and the thread that links to his pics convince you otherwise (ignoring Tommy of course)? Perranporth is a quirky course, but give me Trevose any day

Philip

I like Trevose as much for the family atmosphere as the course - its very unusual in the UK.  However, I much prefer Perranporth to Trevose.  I would take time away from St. Enodoc for Perranporth, but not for Trevose.  I see West Country golf as

St. Enodoc

Burnham
Saunton East
Perranporth
Westward Ho!
Saunton West

Trevose-West Cornwall

I have heard some good things (not gushing) about Weston-super-Mare, I would like to play it some day.  Jeepers, looking at this lineup is quite impressive.  I find it amazing that folks ignore this stretch time and again for the likes of Scotland and Ireland.  

Ciao

When I was at Uni in Bristol, we had our annual golf day at Weston Super Mare. I absolutely hated it, flat and featureless save for a couple of holes at the far end of the course.

I did nick a 'No Dogs Allowed' sign from the course to put up in our Halls of Residence. Oh the fun we students used to have.  

Mark Pearce

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Re:Trevose/St Enodoc
« Reply #11 on: April 20, 2007, 04:52:50 AM »
I've never got as far as St Enodoc, but if it's a class above Burnham & Berrow and Saunton then it goes straight into the top 5 of my must plays.  A GCA event in the West Country sounds essential.
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Philip Gawith

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Re:Trevose/St Enodoc
« Reply #12 on: April 20, 2007, 05:02:47 AM »
I have only played Perranporth once so i will happily revisit, but i doubt I will agree with Ed/Sean. Maybe it is a bit of an apples and oranges comparison - I can only refer again to the subtle appeal of Trevose which Paul/Noel make so eloquently in their observations/pictures.

The larger point is surely Mark's - we need a West Country GCA event - maybe the 2008 Buda Cup even??!! Alternatively, we could have a Spring event - in April or May.

BTW - I do agree with your point Sean re the family appeal of Trevose. The club and its members were immensely hospitable - and that is a strong additive factor, just like good service in a restaurant. In this respect St Enodoc scored less well.

Sean_A

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Re:Trevose/St Enodoc
« Reply #13 on: April 20, 2007, 05:10:30 AM »
I have only played Perranporth once so i will happily revisit, but i doubt I will agree with Ed/Sean. Maybe it is a bit of an apples and oranges comparison - I can only refer again to the subtle appeal of Trevose which Paul/Noel make so eloquently in their observations/pictures.

The larger point is surely Mark's - we need a West Country GCA event - maybe the 2008 Buda Cup even??!! Alternatively, we could have a Spring event - in April or May.

BTW - I do agree with your point Sean re the family appeal of Trevose. The club and its members were immensely hospitable - and that is a strong additive factor, just like good service in a restaurant. In this respect St Enodoc scored less well.

I don't mean to seem scathing about Trevose or by implication West Cornwall.  I could happily be a member of Trevose and did consider joining as a country member, its just that Trevose is in tough company.  

Mark

As much as I love Burnham, I prefer St. Enodoc.  It really is a wonderful course.  These are the two standouts for me down Devon/Cornwall way.  Saunton trails a bit, but not a lot!

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Rich Goodale

Re:Trevose/St Enodoc
« Reply #14 on: April 20, 2007, 06:11:35 AM »
Philip, Sean et. al.

Let's get this West Courntry gig off the ground!

As you may or may not know, I have an annual gig at Trevose that I have never been willing to attend because I thought that getting from Fife to Cornwall was almost as hard as getting from Dublin to Sligo.  However......

....I now learn that there are ridiculously cheap direct flights from Edinburgh to Newquay!  O frabjous joy!

Book it and we will come.

Rich

Philip Gawith

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Re:Trevose/St Enodoc
« Reply #15 on: April 20, 2007, 06:23:34 AM »
Sean, I would have Westward Ho! a bit higher up your list - in fact I would only play St Enodoc ahead of it of the West Country courses. As you know from my affection for Brora and Pennard (return visit pending?!) - and Yelverton happily also fits the ticket - I have a soft spot for wide open courses, especially close to the sea with animals on hand as spectators! And the clubhouse at Westward Ho! takes some beating when it comes to the history of the game.

Darren_Kilfara

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Re:Trevose/St Enodoc
« Reply #16 on: April 20, 2007, 08:25:19 AM »
....I now learn that there are ridiculously cheap direct flights from Edinburgh to Newquay!  O frabjous joy!

With which airline, Rich?

Rich Goodale

Re:Trevose/St Enodoc
« Reply #17 on: April 20, 2007, 10:43:50 AM »
Flybe, Darren.

Sean_A

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Re:Trevose/St Enodoc
« Reply #18 on: April 21, 2007, 07:02:10 AM »
Sean, I would have Westward Ho! a bit higher up your list - in fact I would only play St Enodoc ahead of it of the West Country courses. As you know from my affection for Brora and Pennard (return visit pending?!) - and Yelverton happily also fits the ticket - I have a soft spot for wide open courses, especially close to the sea with animals on hand as spectators! And the clubhouse at Westward Ho! takes some beating when it comes to the history of the game.

Philip

There does seem to be a hard core lot of RND lovers on GCA.  I can't personally see the greatness.  The broom holes and the ones closest to the house are not my thing.  However, I do like the approach of the club.  Its simple and welcoming.  Because of this I place it higher than many clubs with better courses on my preference to play list.  I think RND scores something like 5.6 on the SRA Scale, perhaps a bit generous, but thats the kind of guy I am!

Even so, I struggle to understand how anybody can prefer RND to:





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Mark_Rowlinson

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Re:Trevose/St Enodoc
« Reply #19 on: April 21, 2007, 07:26:14 AM »
Did you manage to get any pictures of Yelverton?  I have quite a liking for it - Fowler never seems to repeat himslef and Yelverton is quite unlike any other of Fowler courses I know.

Philip Gawith

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Re:Trevose/St Enodoc
« Reply #20 on: April 21, 2007, 07:55:00 AM »
I did Mark. When I have worked out how to download from my new camera they will appear! I enjoyed the course.

Philip Gawith

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Re:Trevose/St Enodoc
« Reply #21 on: April 21, 2007, 07:57:38 AM »
Sean I like B&B - but have a look at Art and Architecture section of this site - surely the 6th at RND is the equal when it comes to a great piece of land?

Jim Nugent

Re:Trevose/St Enodoc
« Reply #22 on: April 21, 2007, 08:08:15 AM »
Sean, what course are those two pictures from, and which holes are they?  

RT

Re:Trevose/St Enodoc
« Reply #23 on: April 21, 2007, 08:36:56 AM »
Jim,

Not to steal Sean's thunder, but those are from Burnham & Berrow, hole 2, then the 5th, in order.

We've spoken many times about this course; its a must for those planning a visit to the southwest coast of England.

Regards
RT

Sean_A

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Re:Trevose/St Enodoc
« Reply #24 on: April 21, 2007, 05:55:26 PM »
Sean I like B&B - but have a look at Art and Architecture section of this site - surely the 6th at RND is the equal when it comes to a great piece of land?

Philip

You are right, RND's 6th is very fine.  However, B&B has plenty more great land for golf than that pictured.  I spose we just flip our preferences.  While I Like RND I don't think it is nearly in the class of B&B and you think the opposite is true.  Its a funny ole world even if its only a wee island.

I wish a proper photographer would take some good pix of #7.  The more I play B&B the more I think this seemingly bland hole is the best on the course and one of the best examples of utilzing the land to great effect.

Another great hole at Burnham, #12.  


And another for the hell of it, #14


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