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Phil Benedict

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Tiger's Design Philosophy
« on: March 30, 2007, 10:08:53 AM »
Based on what he said in this week's SI, Tiger would fit right in here. He said he was a big fan of the Aussie sand-belt courses and the classic courses in the Northeast; doesn't like point-to-point golf; and enjoys working the ball along the ground.  He said that St. Andrews in 2000 and Liverpool last year were the only courses he has played where the fairways were faster than the the greens, which he thought was pretty cool.

He's a pretty thoughtful guy whose earned the chance to put his ideas into practice, don't you think?  

Tom_Doak

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Re:Tiger's Design Philosophy
« Reply #1 on: March 30, 2007, 11:25:23 AM »
Phil:

Depends on how you mean he has "earned" the chance to put his ideas into practice.  If you earn that chance by doing anything as a player, then certainly.  Others earn the chance by working in the business for years, which Tiger has not done.  

However, I am not sure that ANYBODY "earns" the chance to design courses simply by putting in years of thinking about designing them.

None of that matters in the real world, though ... you earn your chance when you manage to convince somebody to let you spend their money, regardless of your actual qualifications (and not to disparage Tiger's).

Jim Nugent

Re:Tiger's Design Philosophy
« Reply #2 on: March 30, 2007, 11:35:55 AM »
Tiger sounded great in his interview.  Seems like I've heard he's working with Fazio, though, on the Dubai course.  If so, real curious to see if the course ends up reflecting the principles he talks about.

Anyone know when the Dubai course is supposed to be finished...when it will open..how far along they are now on it?  

Phil Benedict

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Re:Tiger's Design Philosophy
« Reply #3 on: March 30, 2007, 11:43:07 AM »
"Earned" is probably the wrong word to use.  My point is he seems genuinely thoughtful about golf course design.  I remember when they played the PGA at Whistling Straits he said it didn't play like a links course because they had the wrong type of grass around the greens, which limited bounce.  That tells me he's able to go beyond appearances and understands nuance on a golf course.

Tiger is obviously the ultimate superstar course designer but if he can put his preferences into practice he might produce something worthy, although that won't be easy in Dubai where the golf course is part of a huge real estate project.  

A.G._Crockett

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Re:Tiger's Design Philosophy
« Reply #4 on: March 30, 2007, 12:10:43 PM »
It'll all depend on how he approaches it.  If he is out for bucks, none of what he is saying amounts to much and the world will have another Fazio with Tiger's name on it.  

BUT, if he really wants to do this (and I believe he does/will; he is admittedly a "control freak" who never phones it in) then Tom Fazio will work for Tiger, NOT the other way around.
"Golf...is usually played with the outward appearance of great dignity.  It is, nevertheless, a game of considerable passion, either of the explosive type, or that which burns inwardly and sears the soul."      Bobby Jones

JESII

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Re:Tiger's Design Philosophy
« Reply #5 on: March 30, 2007, 12:29:13 PM »
The problem I see is the amount of time he will choose to devote to course design.

I guess that's the issue for any of the guys that are now beyond their golf careers...any clue which one of them spends the most time actually involved in the work being produced? How much time is it per week over the course of the year? Any guesses?

Tiger_Bernhardt

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Re:Tiger's Design Philosophy
« Reply #6 on: March 30, 2007, 12:31:20 PM »
I think it is yet to be seen. I hope he sees architecture as well as he plays. Jack and Arnold obviously do not.

John Kavanaugh

Re:Tiger's Design Philosophy
« Reply #7 on: March 30, 2007, 04:33:49 PM »
When it comes to matters of taste what has Tiger ever done that you would change.  The use of the Sasquatch does not count due to monetary reasons.  I think he has nice taste in clothes, his boat looks nice, I probably wouldn't drive a Buick every day unless I was borrowing it from my Grandmother, Elin seems suitable for a man of his position, he might have told his mom to tone down the visor colors...but all in all the guy cuts some style.  I really wish I could wear a pair of pants like that guy does...Jordan always looked like a clown in long pants but Tiger can flat wear a set of pants.
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Kalen Braley

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Re:Tiger's Design Philosophy
« Reply #8 on: March 30, 2007, 04:46:00 PM »
Mr. JK, Fashion critic extrodinaire!!!  You go John....I would only disagree with your assessment of Elin, if she is just simply "suitable" then I'd like to see above average or outstanding....

As for Tiger, in the spirit of what Mr. Doak said, "earning" the right to design a course is all about getting someone to entrust the green to you to do it.  In fairness though, at the very least we should at least see what he does and not bash him in the starting gates before he even gets out!!

Tim Copeland

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Re:Tiger's Design Philosophy
« Reply #9 on: March 30, 2007, 05:01:23 PM »
I probably wouldn't drive a Buick every day unless I was borrowing it from my Grandmother,




He doesnt drive a Buick everyday....He drives an Escalade with double spinners.....his golf cart has double spinners too.
I need a nickname so I can tell all that I know.....

Jason Blasberg

Re:Tiger's Design Philosophy
« Reply #10 on: March 30, 2007, 09:19:46 PM »
I probably wouldn't drive a Buick every day unless I was borrowing it from my Grandmother,




He doesnt drive a Buick everyday....He drives an Escalade with double spinners.....his golf cart has double spinners too.

Please tell me your're joking about the double spinners . . .

Dan Boerger

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Re:Tiger's Design Philosophy
« Reply #11 on: March 31, 2007, 07:31:45 AM »
If Tiger were to declare his intentions to design a course (or courses), the investors would be lined up around the block. The marketing potential of such a project would be immense, and extraordinarly profitable if handled correctly (IMO). As the saying states ... "money goes where money is".

As an aside, the young man doesn't appear to have made many bad decisions in his life thus far!
"Man should practice moderation in all things, including moderation."  Mark Twain

Tim Copeland

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Re:Tiger's Design Philosophy
« Reply #12 on: March 31, 2007, 10:08:01 AM »
I probably wouldn't drive a Buick every day unless I was borrowing it from my Grandmother,


Nope...not kidding



He doesnt drive a Buick everyday....He drives an Escalade with double spinners.....his golf cart has double spinners too.

Please tell me your're joking about the double spinners . . .
I need a nickname so I can tell all that I know.....

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