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Robert Mercer Deruntz

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Does something look wrong with this restoration?
« on: March 29, 2007, 12:26:33 AM »

Robert Mercer Deruntz

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Re:Does something look wrong with this restoration?
« Reply #1 on: March 29, 2007, 12:27:13 AM »

Robert Mercer Deruntz

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Re:Does something look wrong with this restoration?
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Robert Mercer Deruntz

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Re:Does something look wrong with this restoration?
« Reply #3 on: March 29, 2007, 12:28:28 AM »

Robert Mercer Deruntz

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Re:Does something look wrong with this restoration?
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Robert Mercer Deruntz

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Re:Does something look wrong with this restoration?
« Reply #5 on: March 29, 2007, 12:29:38 AM »

Robert Mercer Deruntz

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Re:Does something look wrong with this restoration?
« Reply #6 on: March 29, 2007, 12:30:09 AM »

Robert Mercer Deruntz

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Re:Does something look wrong with this restoration?
« Reply #7 on: March 29, 2007, 12:31:11 AM »

Robert Mercer Deruntz

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Re:Does something look wrong with this restoration?
« Reply #8 on: March 29, 2007, 12:32:01 AM »

David Ober

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Re:Does something look wrong with this restoration?
« Reply #9 on: March 29, 2007, 12:32:51 AM »
The bunkers look a little ... I don't know ... "fake" maybe???

Other than that, can I play there, please?!  ;D

Robert Mercer Deruntz

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Re:Does something look wrong with this restoration?
« Reply #10 on: March 29, 2007, 12:32:59 AM »

Robert Mercer Deruntz

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Re:Does something look wrong with this restoration?
« Reply #11 on: March 29, 2007, 12:33:35 AM »

Robert Mercer Deruntz

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Re:Does something look wrong with this restoration?
« Reply #12 on: March 29, 2007, 12:34:19 AM »

Robert Mercer Deruntz

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Re:Does something look wrong with this restoration?
« Reply #13 on: March 29, 2007, 12:35:09 AM »

Geoffrey Childs

Re:Does something look wrong with this restoration?
« Reply #14 on: March 29, 2007, 10:17:04 PM »
Robert

Is that what Fazio did to Wee Burn?

Oh Dear  ???

Robert Mercer Deruntz

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Re:Does something look wrong with this restoration?
« Reply #15 on: March 29, 2007, 11:09:52 PM »
This is indeed a Fazio job.  I am heartbroken by the result.  This course has greatness waiting to be restored.  Instead, these pictures show a stock Fazio bunker redo.  There are three green complexes without bunkers, and as can be observed, they are pretty awesome.

Geoffrey Childs

Re:Does something look wrong with this restoration?
« Reply #16 on: March 29, 2007, 11:16:21 PM »
This is indeed a Fazio job.  I am heartbroken by the result.  This course has greatness waiting to be restored.  Instead, these pictures show a stock Fazio bunker redo.  There are three green complexes without bunkers, and as can be observed, they are pretty awesome.

I totally agree.  Wee Burn is the best Dev Emmet course I've ever seen and it was also the closest to an original maintained/preserved design of his as well.  Why not keep and restore the Dev Emmet style of bunkering? The characteristic mounding around the greens is still there.  It doesn't appear the greens have been expanded out and they did not take out many if any trees.  

What besides those bunkers was done to Wee Burn?

ps- I love the 9th green

Robert Mercer Deruntz

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Re:Does something look wrong with this restoration?
« Reply #17 on: March 29, 2007, 11:39:13 PM »
Some of the mounding appears pushed up from the exaggerated bunkers.  They did cut some trees down, but they could easily cut another 500 and the tree huggers would still be placated.

corey miller

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Re:Does something look wrong with this restoration?
« Reply #18 on: March 29, 2007, 11:55:37 PM »


Looks like Fazio has been taking restoration tips from the Met areas finest Ken Dye.

Tom_Doak

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Re:Does something look wrong with this restoration?
« Reply #19 on: March 30, 2007, 02:43:21 AM »
Was it sold by Fazio or by the club as being a restoration to begin with?

Steve_ Shaffer

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Re:Does something look wrong with this restoration?
« Reply #20 on: March 30, 2007, 06:44:09 AM »
The clubhouse was renovated, the golf course restored.

From the club's public website:

http://public.weeburn.org

"The golf course was originally designed by Devereaux Emmet, was renovated in the 1960s by Geoffrey Cornish and is being restored by Tom Fazio currently."

"The Club house facilities were originally designed by noted architect Addison Mizner who is famed for his Mediterranean influenced buildings in Palm Beach, Florida and the north coast of Long Island.  The clubhouse was completely renovated by Butler, Rogers and Baskett in 2002."

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jeffwarne

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Re:Does something look wrong with this restoration?
« Reply #21 on: March 30, 2007, 08:07:40 AM »
Robert,
They were going to remove over 500 trees,
but it the architect, exercising his usual fiscal discipline,  determined that shipping them to Augusta and Shadow Creek would be too expensive.

"Let's slow the damned greens down a bit, not take the character out of them." Tom Doak
"Take their focus off the grass and put it squarely on interesting golf." Don Mahaffey

Scott Witter

Re:Does something look wrong with this restoration?
« Reply #22 on: March 30, 2007, 08:37:13 AM »
Someone noted the mounding around a few greens.  This is indeed a characteristic by Emmet, but they were normally smallish and deliberate, not balanced and not for show.  I did see some in one of the photos and that was the only immediate reference I could see that would indentify Emmet.  The other prominant feature done by Fazio and NOT by Emmet was the style of the bunkering.  On this course, Fazio's are ALL the same with high brow line, shit one green site even had cute heart shaped twins on each side ;D  and Emmet, like many of his fellow colleagues, didn't repeat one style or look everywhere they went, or on the same course.  The bunkers here are ridiculus.

However, that said and as Tom Doak notes, was this sold as a 'restoration'...doubtful, so who is to blame :P

BCrosby

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Re:Does something look wrong with this restoration?
« Reply #23 on: March 30, 2007, 08:54:24 AM »
What is it with restorations/redoes these days that all the bunker borders look so....I don't know, so....tumescent?

Bob

wsmorrison

Re:Does something look wrong with this restoration?
« Reply #24 on: March 30, 2007, 09:02:53 AM »
RMD,

For those of us unfamiliar with the course and the architect (I've only played two Emmett courses) pictures immediately before the work, early photographs a year or so after construction showing the intended design in addition to the club's mandate are necessary to answer your original question.

It is quite possible that the restoration improved a deteriorated golf course and gave the members what they wanted.  Maybe they didn't study the big picture to make an informed decision as to what they wanted.  Who knows?  I am just speculating.  If the members got what they asked for, who can argue?  They are probably pleased that the bunkers drain and the sand is consistent.  

I am not familiar enough with original Emmet to know what his characteristics are.  I found the posted photos interesting  and not unappealing.  But without perspective, who's to say if anything looks wrong?  Without being informed nor familiar with the site, I don't think the photographs indicate the course is at all bad.

Bob,

I'll go look up that word and try to use it in at least one sentence sometime today.  Just looked it up, Bob.  GREAT word! You, my friend, are a wordsmith.

I think the kind of bunkers you refer to are done purely to let everyone know that an architect was at work there, a kind of "look at me" statement so that the club justifies cost and has a new identity; whether it wanted one or not.
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