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Tommy Williamsen

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Was Pat Mucci at 1940 Amateur?
« on: January 23, 2007, 02:45:02 PM »
Just doing a little light reading in a book entitled GOLF ANECDOTES.  I read that "At the 1940 US Amateur Bing Crosby played a qualifying round at Winged Foot with Pat Mucci, a New Yorker...."

Any relation Pat?
« Last Edit: January 25, 2007, 09:31:48 PM by tommy Williamsen »
Where there is no love, put love; there you will find love.
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Geoffrey Childs

Re:Pat Mucci at 1940 Amateur?
« Reply #1 on: January 23, 2007, 02:50:12 PM »
Pat's dad was a very accomplished amateur player.

If you check "The Golf Courses of the MGA" book in the back you will see that he won several MGA father - son tournaments with Pat Jr. and I think his brother as well.

Tom Huckaby

Re:Pat Mucci at 1940 Amateur?
« Reply #2 on: January 23, 2007, 02:51:37 PM »
Tommy - there's a reason why our Patrick often uses the "Jr." suffix in here.

Methinks that's his father you are reading about.  By all accounts - and there are many - the man was a very accomplished player.

But then again given no obvious deduction is ever accepted in here, of course that could be a different Pat Mucci.

 ;D

Tom Huckaby

Re:Pat Mucci at 1940 Amateur?
« Reply #3 on: January 23, 2007, 02:52:31 PM »
GC - whoa - I'd say great minds think alike but that would be the ultimate hubris indeed.... I'm just quite pleased we used damn near the exact same phrases....

 ;D ;D ;D

John Kirk

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Re:Pat Mucci at 1940 Amateur?
« Reply #4 on: January 23, 2007, 10:33:47 PM »
I decided to Google Patrick and see what came up.  Actually I was hoping to find something about the Senior.  To no avail.

Check this out, I came across a message board for Notre Dame alumni, and here's an excerpt from a class of '64 alumnus:

"There was another guy in our class who said his dad was a Walker (that name again) Cup player who had the biggest & nicest leather bag I had ever seen and had top of the line new clubs when we lived on the 4th floor of Lyons. He talked a good game but no one ever saw him play. His name was Pat Mucci and truthfully, I never saw or heard of him after our soph yr. Pat was a tall, raw boned guy with big hands and feet but who did not strike me as athletic despite his build. Recently, a client who was a member of Pine Tree which is a top 100 ranked course located in Boynton Beach, FL asked me if I knew a ND guy by the name of Pat Mucci who was around my age as he was the best player at Pine Tree which has a ton of great amatuer players such as ex-hockey players, Pat Quinn and Mario Lameau, as well as several former NFL and MLB guys. Of course, it is also the winter home of the touring amateurs who are playing in the top senior amateur events all over the country and several members of the LPGA such as the Big Momma. Billy Joe Pattern and Sam Snead had been members. To be the best at that place is unbelievable."

 
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Michael Ryan

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Re:Pat Mucci at 1940 Amateur?
« Reply #5 on: January 24, 2007, 03:30:25 PM »
Gentlemen,

Most of you don't know me, but I joined the site a few months ago.  I live in CT now and work in the golf industry (professional event management).  However, in the late 90's while going to school in Florida, I had the great pleasure of caddying for Pat Mucci, Jr. (he was Mr. Mucci to me) at Pine Tree Golf Club on numerous occasions.  He indeed was (and I'm sure still is) the best amateur player at that very competitive club.  I also recall that I had many conversations with him where he spoke at length about the design characteristics of Pine Tree and how it compared/contrasted with other great courses.  I distinctly remember caddying for him the weekend after his initial trip to Augusta National to play the course, and by the time he was done taking me through his rounds, I felt like I needed a cart (just kidding).  I'll step aside and let the needling continue with his friends, but before it got out of hand, I had to jump on and state the facts.  I hope everyone that has played with him has witnessed his technique for dislodging a severly plugged ball in the bunker.  Still taking the putter and going toe-first Mr. Mucci???

A.G._Crockett

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Re:Pat Mucci at 1940 Amateur?
« Reply #6 on: January 24, 2007, 03:40:32 PM »
Gentlemen,

Most of you don't know me, but I joined the site a few months ago.  I live in CT now and work in the golf industry (professional event management).  However, in the late 90's while going to school in Florida, I had the great pleasure of caddying for Pat Mucci, Jr. (he was Mr. Mucci to me) at Pine Tree Golf Club on numerous occasions.  He indeed was (and I'm sure still is) the best amateur player at that very competitive club.  I also recall that I had many conversations with him where he spoke at length about the design characteristics of Pine Tree and how it compared/contrasted with other great courses.  I distinctly remember caddying for him the weekend after his initial trip to Augusta National to play the course, and by the time he was done taking me through his rounds, I felt like I needed a cart (just kidding).  I'll step aside and let the needling continue with his friends, but before it got out of hand, I had to jump on and state the facts.  I hope everyone that has played with him has witnessed his technique for dislodging a severly plugged ball in the bunker.  Still taking the putter and going toe-first Mr. Mucci???

Cool!
"Golf...is usually played with the outward appearance of great dignity.  It is, nevertheless, a game of considerable passion, either of the explosive type, or that which burns inwardly and sears the soul."      Bobby Jones

Neil Regan

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Re:Pat Mucci at 1940 Amateur?
« Reply #7 on: January 24, 2007, 10:08:42 PM »


  A few years ago, Pat Jr. gave me a copy of this picture for the archives at Winged Foot, along with some very interesting stories that Pat may want to tell again.  
Grass speed  <>  Green Speed

Patrick_Mucci

Re:Pat Mucci at 1940 Amateur?
« Reply #8 on: January 24, 2007, 11:20:24 PM »
Neil,

Thanks.

That's my dad on the left and Billy Bob Coffey from Dallas on the right.

Bing took a liking to my dad and arranged for him to take a screen test, which he did.   He was all set to start his acting career in Hollywood when the Japanese bombed Pearl Harbor.
Three days later he was called to active duty and that was the end of his acting career.

Bing Crosby was so popular that the New York State Police had to use the bamboo poles, dew sweepers, to keep the crowd back.   The Troopers each took an end and blocked anyone from getting too close to Bing.  Bing Crosby used to invite my dad to his clambake, but, my father didn't have the money to make the trip.   About 30 Year's later, my dad and I had just won the MGA Father-Son, and were going to the MGA golf writers dinner.  Bing Crosby was being honored at that dinner.   As we stepped into the elevator, who was there but Bing Crosby.  It was a reunion, except it seemed like they had never been apart.  Golf seems to form bonds that last a lifetime.

John Kirk,

I never indicated to anyone that my dad had played on the Walker cup.   He played in numerous U.S. Amateurs, U.S. Opens and U.S. Senior Amateurs.  The U.S. Senior Open and the U.S. Mid-Amateur began long after his competitive days were over, although, he did shoot his age from age 67 to 79, which, I consider a wonderful athletic accomplishment.

John Kirk,

Lyons Hall was my sophomore residence hall.
I had a great room on the 4th floor.
My roommate, Jim Egan was a terrific fellow.  Jim went into the Marine Corps after graduation and is still listed as missing in action.  The North Vietnamese and Viet Cong didn't take prisoners, they executed captured American personel, but for some reason the media NEVER reported that.  Seeing Jane Fonda sitting on a triple A gun mount in North Vietnam was about as distasteful a display as I've ever seen.

Yet, if an enemy combatant detained in one of our prisons  doesn't get his laundry and dry cleaning back in time the media goes ballistic.

Where were they when Jim Egan needed them ?

As to the assessment of my athletic ability, I could dunk with two hands, rebounded and shot well, could throw a baseball with speed and break, and throw and catch a football pretty well.      But, I  couldn't run the 100 in 10 seconds or under.

A man has to know his limitations. ;D

Bob Burgfechtal, my freshman roommate from Marshalltown, Iowa taught me how to putt stiff wristed, which was a great help to my golf game.  It wasn't until the summer of my Junior year when I left work every day at 5:00 and went and hit balls until dark, that  my game elevated itself.

The first year I joined Pine Tree I was fortunate enough to win the club championship in a 36 hole match against a + 1, young, triathlete.  I was 54 at the time.  The match was played from the tips at 7,200+ and it was a windy day.   I was 3 or 4 down with 9 to go and played one of the best nines I had ever played.   I hit every fairway and every green and shot about 4 under and won 2 & 1.   I won a few times after that, but, haven't played in a few years.

Michael Ryan,

Thanks for the kind words.

You know, the funny thing about that crazy shot I hit from the bunker is the following.  My foursome was playing against the foursome in front of us for a few quid.  Earlier in the round, on the 8th hole, I had a hole in one.  On the 16th hole I imbeded my approach into the face of a bunker.  The ball was almost invisible.  I walked into the bunker with my trusty Tommy Armour IMGT putter and took my stance.   My playing partners went ballistic, and asked me what I thought I was doing with their money.   I told them not to worry.
I gripped the putter sideways, hit below the ball with an ascending blow and it ended up a foot from the hole.
They were amazed.  They said that I must have practiced that shot a thousand times.  I told them that that was the first time I ever attempted it.  I told them that I couldn't sleep the night before, turned on the TV at 3:30 in the morning and found Chi Chi Rodriquez demonstrating the shot.
And, since the lie was similar, I decided to give it a try because I knew that I couldn't advance the ball in a traditional fashion.

On occassion, I've successfully executed that shot.
However, I"m now putting with the two bar RIFE putter and the only thing I can do in a bunker with that putter is shovel sand.

The round I'm proudest of occured in June of 2004.
I was invited to NGLA to play in their Invitational Tournament, which I had played in for many years, always competing in the regular division.  My invite that year was more charitable than deserved.  I had lost 70 pounds, all my strength, along with my balance and some vision.  I was in the end stages of full dose chemotherapy and getting rather toxic, having previously had major surgery preceeded by chemotherapy seven days a week and radiation 5 days a week for about 3 months.  Despite my condition, I accepted and claimed that I would be competitive.

I was forced to play in the Senior Division, something I've been in denial about for a number of years.

But, I managed to shoot the second low score in the Senior Division and I believe the 8th low score in all divisions.  I think I shot two or three over par on a fairly windy day.  My desire to compete overrode the hammering my body was taking.
It turned out that GOLF was the best medicine for me.

At the dinner that night the Tournament Chairman made a special toast to me which I'll never forget.
During chemo I couldn't walk 50 feet.
Two weeks after I was done, I was walking 36 holes a day.

But, it was my match with Ran at Sand Hills a year later that was the begining of my return to playing decent golf and regaining a voracious appetite.   I"ve regained the 70 pounds and now ...... diet and exercise appear to be in my future.

Golf has been a integral part of my life.
I've met so many nice people from all over the country, all through golf.   It was a great medicine and diversion.

And now that I've just made the critical 3 year mark with clean tests,  I'm ready to play again.

Where is Ran when you need him ?

Geoff Childs was very helpful and supportive during my battle, as were many other friends I"ve met through GCA.com.

My new motto is:   YOU CAN'T PLAY ENOUGH GOLF !

Take care of your family and business first, and then play as much golf as you can.

In all of the great number of days I spent at hospitals over the last three and a half years, I've never heard a patient claim that he should have spent more time in the office.

This isn't a dress rehersal.

Play more golf !

Kevin_Reilly

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Re:Pat Mucci at 1940 Amateur?
« Reply #9 on: January 25, 2007, 12:16:29 AM »
Good post, Pat.  Great health to you in 2007 and beyond.
"GOLF COURSES SHOULD BE ENJOYED RATHER THAN RATED" - Tom Watson

John Kirk

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Re:Pat Mucci at 1940 Amateur?
« Reply #10 on: January 25, 2007, 01:23:05 AM »
Patrick,

I had remembered the big day was coming soon.  Congratulations.  Great news.  Perhaps I will get another chance to play you straight up and lose later this year.

JK


Tommy Williamsen

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Re:Pat Mucci at 1940 Amateur?
« Reply #11 on: January 25, 2007, 01:42:54 AM »
Pat, thanks for the post.  Golf is a grand game and we who are fortunate enough to play it have forged many good friendships because of it.
Keep testing clean.
Where there is no love, put love; there you will find love.
St. John of the Cross

"Deep within your soul-space is a magnificent cathedral where you are sweet beyond telling." Rumi

A.G._Crockett

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Re:Pat Mucci at 1940 Amateur?
« Reply #12 on: January 25, 2007, 05:45:14 AM »
Great stuff, Mr. Mucci.  Thanks for sharing all of that.
"Golf...is usually played with the outward appearance of great dignity.  It is, nevertheless, a game of considerable passion, either of the explosive type, or that which burns inwardly and sears the soul."      Bobby Jones

Dan Kelly

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Re:Pat Mucci at 1940 Amateur?
« Reply #13 on: January 25, 2007, 09:48:26 AM »
The mystery deepens.

Thanks, Patrick, for a wonderful post. And congratulations on your recovery.

I would play more golf TODAY if it weren't 11 degrees Fahrenheit out there.
"There's no money in doing less." -- Joe Hancock, 11/25/2010
"Rankings are silly and subjective..." -- Tom Doak, 3/12/2016

Tom Huckaby

Re:Pat Mucci at 1940 Amateur?
« Reply #14 on: January 25, 2007, 09:55:08 AM »
Patrick:

As much as we chide each other over things such as football in here, well.... you know I've always been one of your biggest fans.  Being present for one of those matches with Ran at Sand Hills is a memory I won't soon forget; nor is damn near beating your ass in the fourball that also went on that afternoon.

But a man does need to know his limitations, and I knew even getting close to you was a hell of an accomplishment for a hack like me.

In any case, testament to your toughness is that I had no clue you were recovering from anything until long after that trip.... I mean I sort of knew, but you played so well and so strong and had so much damn fun and were so much fun to play with and against, it was impossible to tell you had ever suffered through any ailment, not to mention overcoming what you did and what that took to do so.

OK, this message will self-destruct at a certain point, because it's a lot more fun to be at odds with you than give you any credit.  So along those lines, why don't you give the excuse/explanation for the recent dismissal of ND's point guard?

Stay well, my friend.

 ;D
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mike_malone

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Re:Pat Mucci at 1940 Amateur?
« Reply #15 on: January 25, 2007, 10:07:26 AM »
 This is all very nice, but what I want to know is where did you learn to start topics with only part......


     
AKA Mayday

Tom Huckaby

Re:Pat Mucci at 1940 Amateur?
« Reply #16 on: January 25, 2007, 10:10:37 AM »
This is all very nice, but what I want to know is where did you learn to start topics with only part......


     

That's a hell of a good question, and taking this back
on a much better track.

Many annoying trends have occurred in this forum, and
this is certainly one of them.

END IT NOW!

PThomas

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Re:Pat Mucci at 1940 Amateur?
« Reply #17 on: January 25, 2007, 10:21:56 AM »
great stuff Patrick, even if you are one of those ND nuts ;)...

I wish you continued good health....

people like Patrick and my 43 year old sister in law who have survived cancer should remind us all about what is truly important in life

I found out last week that one of the daughters of a friend of mine at work who is about my age (45) was experiencing headaches and some blurred vision a few weeks ago...they took her into the doctor and discovered a brain tumor....they believe it was benign but have to do some follow up tests to be sure

life is so short and precious...

199 played, only Augusta National left to play!

JESII

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Re:Pat Mucci at 1940 Amateur?
« Reply #18 on: January 25, 2007, 10:27:21 AM »
Most impressive of all, and not yet mentioned on here is the fact that Patrick was able to father a child at the age of 87. Pat, how old is your youngest right now?

Tom Huckaby

Re:Pat Mucci at 1940 Amateur?
« Reply #19 on: January 25, 2007, 10:29:10 AM »
Sully - the man is definitely a stud, by all
definitions of that term.  But no need to coddle
him or be cute... 87?  Please.  That was a decade
ago.

 ;)

JESII

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Re:Pat Mucci at 1940 Amateur?
« Reply #20 on: January 25, 2007, 10:30:30 AM »
That's right Tom, I think his son is alomost 10, I just wanted confirmation...

Tom Huckaby

Re:Pat Mucci at 1940 Amateur?
« Reply #21 on: January 25, 2007, 10:32:42 AM »
That's right Tom, I think his son is alomost 10, I just wanted confirmation...

Good call - my bad.

 ;D ;D

JESII

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Re:Pat Mucci at 1940 Amateur?
« Reply #22 on: January 25, 2007, 10:35:52 AM »
In all seriousness, I look forward to an opportunity to play with him because of the words of those of you that have done so. Hopefully this year.

Tom Huckaby

Re:Pat Mucci at 1940 Amateur?
« Reply #23 on: January 25, 2007, 10:37:59 AM »
Sully, I'd guess a lot of us look forward to you
playing with Pat also, because he could always use
a dose of humility.

 ;D ;D

JESII

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Re:Pat Mucci at 1940 Amateur?
« Reply #24 on: January 25, 2007, 10:45:48 AM »
From what I hear (and witness through the IM side of this site), it's really neck and neck between Kavanaugh and Mucci for the leading Schizophrenic on GCA.com.

Edward Norton played an alter boy murderer in a movie with Richard Gere (Primal Fear?) in which he uses a dual personality to get away with it...his performance was awesome, but it doens't hold a candle to these two guys.


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