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Sean_A

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Reverse TOC & Balfour
« on: September 11, 2006, 07:27:42 AM »
I have been reading Balfour's comparison of the the present double greens layout compared to the single greens layout.  I find it astonishing how much Balfour disapproved of the changes which made the course far more strategic and created one of the greatest back nines in golf.  In fact, I cannot detect a single change which Balfour appproved of.  The best he can offer is "...thus the breadth of the course for golfing was gradually increased, till now it is about two-thirds broader than it used to be.  This was probably unavoidable, owing to the increased number of players...".  I am guessing this was written about 1875.  Does anybody know the exact date?  Perhaps this desription is also in a little book by Balfour.  I don't recall the title, but it is silver and very short.  

A few questions about the different courses just before the changes.  

1.  Was the first tee left of the current 18th?  According to Balfour the sea came quite close to the 18th of the clubhouse) perhaps 1830ish(?) and on occasion water lapped up the stairs.  

2.  The reverse 5th.  Balfour claims the tee shot was always played to the right of the bunker with the uncouth name.  The second shot to the left of Elysian Fields.  The third contended with The Beardies and the fourth across a horrid bunker.  

The phrase "to the left of Elysian Fields" confuses me.  Is that wall newish or perhaps was Elysian Fields considerably narrower in th eold days?  What happened to the "horrid bunker"?   This couldn't be the Hole o' Cross Bunker could it?

3.  Was the Strath Bunker on #11 there before the changes?

4.  When was the series of bunkers on the "new" 6th to the right of Coffin Bunkers put in?

5.  Was Stroke Bunker part of the "old" layout?

6.  When was the name of Golfer's Bridge changed to Swilken Bridge?  I notice that Dr. Mac called it the Stone Bridge on his 1924 map of the links.

Ciao

Sean
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ForkaB

Re:Reverse TOC & Balfour
« Reply #1 on: September 11, 2006, 08:54:11 AM »
Sean

1. is correct
2.  There was no OB in those days, so wall or no wall, playing to the left of the Elysian Fields was OK.  OB is a fairly recent concept.
3.  Think so, but not sure.  Possibly protecting the reverse 7th.
4. and 5.(?) Most of the bunkering to the right of the course (going out) is manufactured, mostly by OTM.
6.  Dinnae ken.

Rich


PS--I reccommend Balfour's book very highly.  The Old Course must have been a real bitch to play in his day.

ForkaB

Re:Reverse TOC & Balfour
« Reply #2 on: September 11, 2006, 10:13:04 AM »
Sean

I would assume it was an integral part of the course.

Braid had to play off the railroad tracks to the right of 16 in the 1905 Open.

Rich

PS--if you would just buy my book, you wouldn't have to spend so much energy asking these questions! ;)

RFG

Andy Hughes

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Re:Reverse TOC & Balfour
« Reply #3 on: September 11, 2006, 02:19:20 PM »
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Braid had to play off the railroad tracks to the right of 16 in the 1905 Open.

Hmm, that's interesting, so it was not out of bounds.  I wonder if that makes the Principal's Nose a better hazard now that it is OB, or if the fear of the railroad was plenty scary enough.
"Perhaps I'm incorrect..."--P. Mucci 6/7/2007

Bill_McBride

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Re:Reverse TOC & Balfour
« Reply #4 on: September 11, 2006, 03:47:06 PM »
Sean

I would assume it was an integral part of the course.

Braid had to play off the railroad tracks to the right of 16 in the 1905 Open.

Rich

PS--if you would just buy my book, you wouldn't have to spend so much energy asking these questions! ;)

RFG

Ricardo, would you please tell me again how one goes about purchasing a copy of your book?  Is it available in the States?  Mille grazie.

ForkaB

Re:Reverse TOC & Balfour
« Reply #5 on: September 12, 2006, 07:03:19 AM »
Sean

I would assume it was an integral part of the course.

Braid had to play off the railroad tracks to the right of 16 in the 1905 Open.

Rich

PS--if you would just buy my book, you wouldn't have to spend so much energy asking these questions! ;)

RFG

Ricardo, would you please tell me again how one goes about purchasing a copy of your book?  Is it available in the States?  Mille grazie.

Prego, Ace

I'll bring multiple copies of both books to Buda IV.  This will save you the postage and handling.  Otherwise, both books can be bought at www.optimizegolf.com.

See you in a few weeks.

Rich

Marty Bonnar

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Re:Reverse TOC & Balfour
« Reply #6 on: September 12, 2006, 03:27:08 PM »
Sean,
the whole Swilki(e)n Bridge thing has been a source of interest to me for too long. I suppose I should really read some more histories of St Andrews, but I can't really be arsed.
Here's some screen captures from the National Library of Scotland which show that it was always the ROAD bridge which was known as Swilki(e)n...









They're from 1820 to 1912. Maps before then also exist but give no name for the old bridge at all. I suspect what actually happened is some enterprising builder nipped in there in the dead of night in winter 1944 (when our attention was diverted elsewhere) and built the wee beauty then claimed to have uncovered it.

FBD.
The White River runs dark through the heart of the Town,
Washed the people coal-black from the hole in the ground.

Marty Bonnar

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Re:Reverse TOC & Balfour
« Reply #7 on: September 12, 2006, 04:19:15 PM »
S,
the Burn has a short (but nonetheless!) famous life.
It starts out as little more than field drains out by Strathkinness (to the West of St A), and gathers only a little water between there and pouring out into the mighty(!) Eden over by the end of Grannie Clarks.
I definitely recall seeing the tide running back up when I've been there and it's a far more forceful flow than the normal direction!
Whatever, it's a MUCH better design treatment of a small water feature than those sodding blockwork walls at Carnasty.

FBD.
The White River runs dark through the heart of the Town,
Washed the people coal-black from the hole in the ground.

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