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Links Magazine -Best Match Play Holes
« on: August 31, 2006, 01:14:16 PM »
The Sept/Oct Links Magazine has a foldout of the best match play hole in golf by our esteemed Geoff Shackelford. It hasn't appeared on their website yet, so guess what they are.
Hints: Five 3s, five driveable 4s, 4 other 4 pars, four par fives, all reachable with some regularity. Six non-US. Only three have OB (I think). Water on 3 par 3s, one short 4, one regular 4, two fives. One hole does not have a bunker (par 3). Two have blind approaches. Three are hole #10, three are hole #4. If you are 1,2,7,9,11,15, sorry, you didn't make it.  Twice, holes are just a few miles from each other, one's nearest neighbor is thousands of miles away. One opened last year, two in the 70s, the others are all a lot older. Pennsylvania was shut out. One hole has been surrounded by guesses. This will be modified as guesses occur and more brain cells kick in. Four are not covered in GCA Courses by Countries entries. Augusta National is the only course with two choices. The courses featuring the remaining par 3 and par 4 have not (to my knowledge) been on live US television for a tournament, and both have undergone revision, or restoration, or renovation since 2000. The remaining par 3 and par 5 are in GB&I, but in different countries. The remaining par 4 is in the US, and is in a state not previously guessed.

As we are down to one par 5, we have established it is on a moden The Open venue, has OB, does not have water, and previous guesses have named the course, but not this hole.

They're all picked.
As they are answered, I will post in reply #1.
« Last Edit: August 31, 2006, 03:40:53 PM by Peter Pittock »

peter_p

Re:Links Magazine -Best Match Play Holes
« Reply #1 on: August 31, 2006, 01:14:41 PM »
The eighteen chosen, as you answer:
Par 3s (5)
1. Augusta National # 12
2. Cypress Point # 16
3. TPC Sawgass (Stadium) #17
4. Royal Troon (old) #8  
5. Lahinch # 5

Par 4s -Short  (5)
1. Riviera # 10 - how could Geoff resist
2. The Belfry (Brabazon) # 10.
3. Royal Melbourne-West #10
4. The Country Club (Composite) #4
5. Bandon Trails # 14.

Par 4s - Long (4)
1. The Old Course - St Andrews # 17
2. National Golf Links of America # 3.
3. Pine Valley #13
4. The Course at Yale #4

Par 5s (4)
1. Pebble Beach Golf Links #18.  A hole which has improved with technology advancements because it is now a reachable par 5.
2. Augusta National #13
3. Bethpage State Park -Black #4
4. Carnoustie # 6





« Last Edit: August 31, 2006, 03:41:33 PM by Peter Pittock »

Jimmy Muratt

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Re:Links Magazine -Best Match Play Holes
« Reply #2 on: August 31, 2006, 01:22:10 PM »
I'll take a stab at a few:

Par 5's:  Augusta Nat'l #13, Crystal Downs #8, Sand Hills #16
Par 4's:  Riviera #10, NGLA #1, St. Andrew's Old #17, and for the darkhorse that opened last year.... Boston GC #5
Par 3's:  Augusta #12, Cypress Point #16, NGLA #4

Aaron Katz

Re:Links Magazine -Best Match Play Holes
« Reply #3 on: August 31, 2006, 01:23:42 PM »
10th at the Belfry.

Mike Benham

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Re:Links Magazine -Best Match Play Holes
« Reply #4 on: August 31, 2006, 01:29:23 PM »
3rd at Rustic Canyon ...

I'd assume that like any other archie, he would pick one of his own designs ...
"... and I liked the guy ..."

peter_p

Re:Links Magazine -Best Match Play Holes
« Reply #5 on: August 31, 2006, 01:31:43 PM »
Mike, No Rustic isn't included, I almost put in that dislaimer in the original post, which is being modified as guesses are made.

Guesses already have one hole surrounded.
« Last Edit: August 31, 2006, 01:34:52 PM by Peter Pittock »

Garland Bayley

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Re:Links Magazine -Best Match Play Holes
« Reply #6 on: August 31, 2006, 01:39:04 PM »
NGLA #3
"I enjoy a course where the challenges are contained WITHIN it, and recovery is part of the game  not a course where the challenge is to stay ON it." Jeff Warne

Punchbowl

Re:Links Magazine -Best Match Play Holes
« Reply #7 on: August 31, 2006, 01:41:32 PM »
I have always said that NGLA is a great match play course and Shinnecock is a great stroke play course.  Match play holes at NGLA that stick out....1,2,3,5,7,11,14,17,18.

Brian Noser

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Re:Links Magazine -Best Match Play Holes
« Reply #8 on: August 31, 2006, 01:46:06 PM »
#17 Sawgrass??

Scott_Burroughs

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Re:Links Magazine -Best Match Play Holes
« Reply #9 on: August 31, 2006, 01:48:55 PM »
Par 3:  PVGC #5
          WF(W) #10?

long 4:  Pinehurst #2 #5?
           Bethpage (B) #5?  or #16?

par 5:  Bethpage (B) #4?

other guesses:

something in Merion's closing quartet?

Sean Leary

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Re:Links Magazine -Best Match Play Holes
« Reply #10 on: August 31, 2006, 01:50:01 PM »
# 6 at The Country Club (Composite)

Jimmy Muratt

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Re:Links Magazine -Best Match Play Holes
« Reply #11 on: August 31, 2006, 01:51:44 PM »
Par 3:  Royal Melbourne #5
Par 4 (short):  Royal Melbourne #10

Aaron Katz

Re:Links Magazine -Best Match Play Holes
« Reply #12 on: August 31, 2006, 01:53:49 PM »
Pine Valley #8 (it's in NJ, not Pennsylvania).  

Aaron Katz

Re:Links Magazine -Best Match Play Holes
« Reply #13 on: August 31, 2006, 01:54:45 PM »
Is the Postage Stamp on there?

Brian Noser

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Re:Links Magazine -Best Match Play Holes
« Reply #14 on: August 31, 2006, 01:59:36 PM »
#18 at carnastie??

Garland Bayley

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Re:Links Magazine -Best Match Play Holes
« Reply #15 on: August 31, 2006, 02:04:13 PM »
IMO #17 at TPC is a lousy match play hole!
"I enjoy a course where the challenges are contained WITHIN it, and recovery is part of the game  not a course where the challenge is to stay ON it." Jeff Warne

Larry_Keltto

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Re:Links Magazine -Best Match Play Holes
« Reply #16 on: August 31, 2006, 02:07:19 PM »
#14 (Calamity) at Portrush

peter_p

Re:Links Magazine -Best Match Play Holes
« Reply #17 on: August 31, 2006, 02:08:25 PM »
Garland,
It is if you are one down and on the tee, but I concede you may have a point of argument.

To this point three courses have been mentioned, but the 'wrong' hole chosen.
« Last Edit: August 31, 2006, 02:11:54 PM by Peter Pittock »

Aaron Katz

Re:Links Magazine -Best Match Play Holes
« Reply #18 on: August 31, 2006, 02:14:09 PM »
They didn't put Olympic #18 on there, did they?

Aaron Katz

Re:Links Magazine -Best Match Play Holes
« Reply #19 on: August 31, 2006, 02:15:02 PM »
Well, we must be missing something from Pine Valley.  What about #13.

I'm also going to guess that short two shotter at Oakmont (is it #16?  I forget).
« Last Edit: August 31, 2006, 02:15:42 PM by Aaron Katz »

Jimmy Muratt

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Re:Links Magazine -Best Match Play Holes
« Reply #20 on: August 31, 2006, 02:16:46 PM »
Two great candidates for the long par 4 category:

Sand Hills #4
Sand Hills #18

Scott_Burroughs

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Re:Links Magazine -Best Match Play Holes
« Reply #21 on: August 31, 2006, 02:19:18 PM »
With 1 par 3 left and the mention that one does not have a bunker, then the only one not yet listed does not have a bunker, unless 'waste area' isn't counted as a bunker.


peter_p

Re:Links Magazine -Best Match Play Holes
« Reply #22 on: August 31, 2006, 02:26:54 PM »
Down to two courses that have been pre-mentioned,with Pine Valley chosen. Sand Hills didn't make the list, per my "age" qualifiers. The remaining par 3 is waterless, bunkerless in any fashion. Last time I checked, Oakmont and HVCC were still in Pennsylvania.
« Last Edit: August 31, 2006, 02:30:01 PM by Peter Pittock »

Jim Franklin

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Re:Links Magazine -Best Match Play Holes
« Reply #23 on: August 31, 2006, 02:33:07 PM »
#7 Sand hills
#11 or #12 The Country Club (composite)
Mr Hurricane

peter_p

Re:Links Magazine -Best Match Play Holes
« Reply #24 on: August 31, 2006, 02:33:07 PM »
Recap, we are down to five choices, three in the US and two in GB&I. Two courses have been named, but the hole queries was 'wrong'. The hole that opened last year is still up for grabs.

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