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Andy Troeger

Is golf the greatest game?
« on: October 13, 2005, 06:53:24 PM »
A friend asked me this question the other day after watching the recent movie of a similar name, so I thought I'd ask it here.

Is golf the greatest game? Why or why not?

We both (not surprisingly) said that yes, it is the greatest game. He felt that the individual aspect of golf along with the golfer vs nature/the elements made it great. I would add the comaraderie and friendships formed playing golf and the ability to play golf for an entire lifetime as additional reasons. What are some others? Does anyone disagree?

Bill Gayne

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Re:Is golf the greatest game?
« Reply #1 on: October 13, 2005, 07:21:39 PM »
As Sally Jenkins of the Washington Post once wrote that it was one of the few games that is a combination of a game of chance, game of skill, and game of strategy.

For me there are better games of chance, skill, and strategy but none of them contain all three at the same level as golf. Although, I'm biased by experience.

An interesting and related question that I debate with my Dad and there was once a thread on is the question: Is golf a sport or game?
« Last Edit: October 13, 2005, 07:25:24 PM by Bill Gayne »

Sean Leary

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Re:Is golf the greatest game?
« Reply #2 on: October 13, 2005, 07:45:14 PM »
It is the greatest game.  It can be played by both young and old, and everywhere in between. It can be played by everyone, iresspective to ability.  It is played honor and integrity, in some of the greatest places and some of the worst places on earth.  It can be played by oneself, or amongst friends or amongst strangers.  It is a sport where you can only blame yourself for your failures, and take credit for your successes.

No question, it is the greatest game.....

Michael Moore

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Re:Is golf the greatest game?
« Reply #3 on: October 13, 2005, 08:21:20 PM »
I'm going to go with non-American football, a game that can be played by impoverished villagers all over the world, a game that requires intelligence on top of speed, strength and stamina, a game that fosters real community.

Golf is expensive, and I find that it engenders navel-gazing and solipsism.

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Sean Leary

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Re:Is golf the greatest game?
« Reply #4 on: October 13, 2005, 08:25:46 PM »
Golf is expensive, and I find that it engenders navel-gazing and solipsism.


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Is this Maine terminology? If it is, they didn't teach me that at Bowdoin. ;)
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Bill Gayne

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Re:Is golf the greatest game?
« Reply #5 on: October 13, 2005, 08:33:45 PM »
Solipsism!!

I love it. It's the perfect word for an unrelated email I need to send in the morning. Many could be accused of being solipsist.

mikes1160

Re:Is golf the greatest game?
« Reply #6 on: October 13, 2005, 08:50:45 PM »
Michael Moore,

A game that fosters real community? To the point of mass riots, stadium bedlam, and death squad assassinations worldwide? Read Rick Reilly's column in SI this week about the star player from Haiti whose two brothers were gunned down because he refused to play for a rival club.....

Here are disasters in soccer stadiums - stunning

http://edition.cnn.com/2001/WORLD/africa/05/09/soccer.chronology/

Dan Kelly

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Re:Is golf the greatest game?
« Reply #7 on: October 13, 2005, 10:29:00 PM »
I'm going to go with non-American football, a game that can be played by impoverished villagers all over the world, a game that requires intelligence on top of speed, strength and stamina, a game that fosters real community.

So, in other words, "non-American football" is a game for those with speed, strength, stamina and intelligence.

Give me golf -- the playing of which can be (and is) deeply enjoyed by people lacking one or all of those things.

The fact that "impoverished villagers all over the world" don't have access to the game is hardly the game's fault!

What do you mean by "fosters real community"?
« Last Edit: October 14, 2005, 07:56:57 AM by Dan Kelly »
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Sean_A

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Re:Is golf the greatest game?
« Reply #8 on: October 14, 2005, 05:24:05 AM »
Sorry boys, that greatest game on earth is hockey, ice rather than the field variety.  Golf is second.  Football may be third.  It certainly has world-wide appeal and the strategy is very similar to hockey.   I don't watch much of it (basically just international stuff) and have never played the game, but when played properly, it is very appealing.  

Ciao

Sean
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Tony_Muldoon

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Re:Is golf the greatest game?
« Reply #9 on: October 14, 2005, 05:48:42 AM »
The following is from John Reasons report in The Telegraph on the Walker Cup of all things. Yes Golf has team competitions too.


"It was funny then to get home and watch the breathless finish to the third Ashes Test and read all the mumbo jumbo about how cricket could replace football as Britain's main sport. The Walker Cup was just as exciting and golf has just as little chance as cricket of overtaking football for the same depressing reason.

Football isn't the No 1 sport in Britain because it's a better game than any of the others. Cricket is a far more sophisticated game than football. Rugby tests a far greater range of skills and is tactically far broader than football - spare me another discussion over diamond formations or the merits of 4-4-2 against 4-3-3. Nor does any footballer suffer the mental torment of a golfer except when he is checking in to the Priory. But football is the most popular game because it is tribally bloody.

It is why football has never penetrated the United States. The Americans were already tribally committed to baseball and American football. The same is true of an Indian subcontinent that goes to war over cricket. Football has flourished in countries where sport lacked a tribe. Few people can be bothered to watch a football game where they don't have an allegiance to either side. I did last year and it was one of the most mind-numbing experiences of my life.

But in praise of football, tribal passion is at the heart of most great sporting experiences. It is why this Ashes series is so compelling to so many. And it was what made the Walker Cup so much more compelling than the PGA."  ;)
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Andy Troeger

Re:Is golf the greatest game?
« Reply #10 on: October 14, 2005, 08:14:55 AM »
I recently read an article in a local paper claiming that the high school golf regional is amongst the most pressure packed events in local sport. With all of the torment that golfers face anyway, the pressure to play well for your team adds another level in the effort to get down to the state championship.

All team sports have some kind of individual component, but for many (think defense in basketball) the team has to work together. For golfers, the team still relies on each member, but they're still out there on their own to execute. Pretty dramatic stuff when it comes down to the final holes. That's partially why the Ryder Cup is so popular. Add some kind of team aspect to the individual play of golf just adds another dimension.

Paul_Turner

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Re:Is golf the greatest game?
« Reply #11 on: October 14, 2005, 08:27:44 AM »
Golf is a sport because physical strength matters.  Chess is the best game (and I'm crap at it).

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Rugby tests more skills than Football, give me a break!  Maradonna wouldn't have missed a conversion in his entire career ;)
« Last Edit: October 14, 2005, 08:34:32 AM by Paul_Turner »
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Dan King

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Re:Is golf the greatest game?
« Reply #12 on: October 14, 2005, 09:31:51 AM »
Sean Leary writes:
It is the greatest game.  It can be played by both young and old, and everywhere in between. It can be played by everyone, iresspective to ability.  It is played honor and integrity, in some of the greatest places and some of the worst places on earth.  It can be played by oneself, or amongst friends or amongst strangers.  It is a sport where you can only blame yourself for your failures, and take credit for your successes.

Reading it I thought you were going to say bocce.

I think bocce has everything golf has with the added advantage of inexpensive and can be played quickly. Throw in you don't need hundred of acres and bocce in the clear winner. And you don't need no stickin' distance measuring devices (though a tape measure can come in handy.)

Dan King
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Man is a gaming animal. He must always be trying to get the better in something or other.
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Mike Hendren

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Re:Is golf the greatest game?
« Reply #13 on: October 14, 2005, 10:36:24 AM »
I think bocce has everything golf has with the added advantage of inexpensive and can be played quickly. Throw in you don't need hundred of acres and bocce in the clear winner. And you don't need no stickin' distance measuring devices (though a tape measure can come in handy.)


All that, and you can play without having to put your wine glass down.  

Mike
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Jack_Marr

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Re:Is golf the greatest game?
« Reply #14 on: October 14, 2005, 10:40:36 AM »
Football (soccer) is the best game for me. That said, I think the most popular "second" sport in the world is golf.
John Marr(inan)

Dan Kelly

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Re:Is golf the greatest game?
« Reply #15 on: October 14, 2005, 11:15:47 AM »
I think bocce has everything golf has with the added advantage of inexpensive and can be played quickly. Throw in you don't need hundred of acres and bocce in the clear winner. And you don't need no stickin' distance measuring devices (though a tape measure can come in handy.)


All that, and you can play without having to put your wine glass down.  

Mike

Yes -- and you can be either solipsistic or community-minded ... or both! Your choice entirely.

Say, is there a BocceClubAtlas.com?
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Kelly Blake Moran

Re:Is golf the greatest game?
« Reply #16 on: October 14, 2005, 11:38:10 AM »
No doubt for me that golf is the greatest, and leaving aside the many arguements for all of the sports, I think the two things that distinguishe golf from the rest is that it is one of the few major sports that the public participates in, meaning I don't see any of my buddies playing football, baseball or soccer on the playgrounds at age 50, those other sports fairly early in adult hood become nonparticipating sports for all of us, and it is laid out over the natural land and therefore allows one to walk the grounds.    

Dan Joseph

Re:Is golf the greatest game?
« Reply #17 on: October 14, 2005, 12:45:42 PM »
Golf is the only sport I know that can be played competitivley between three generations - father, son and grandson.

The following is not intended to offend fans of tennis, basketball, football or baseball.  It is, rather, an attempt to put everything in its proper  perspective.  Ever wonder why golf is growing in popularity and why people who don't even  play go to tournaments or watch it on TV?  The following truisms may shed  some light:  
Golf is an honorable game, with the overwhelming majority of  
players being  honorable people who don't need referees.  
Golfers don't have some of their players in jail every week.  
Golfers don't kick dirt on, or throw bottles at, other people.  
Professional golfers are paid in direct proportion to how well they play.  Golfers don't get per diem and two seats on a charter flight when they travel between tournaments.  
Golfers don't hold out for more money, or demand new contracts, because of  another player's deal.  Professional golfers don't demand that the taxpayers pay for the  
courses on  which they play.  When golfers make a mistake, nobody is there to cover for them or back them.  The PGA raises more money for charity in 1 year than the NFL does  
in 2.  You can watch the best golfers in the world up close, at any tournament,  including the majors, all day every day for $25 or $30.  The cost  for even a  nosebleed seat at the Super Bowl costs around  $300 or more unless  you buy it  from scalpers in which case it's $1,000+.  You can bring a picnic lunch to the tournament golf course, watch the best  
in the world and not spend a small fortune on food and drink.  Try that at one of the taxpayer funded baseball or football stadiums.  If you bring a soft drink into a ballpark, they'll give you two options -- get rid of it or leave.  In golf you cannot fail 70% of the time and make $9 million a  
season, like the best baseball hitters (.300 batting average) do.  Golf doesn't change its rules to attract fans. Golfers have to adapt to an entirely new playing area each week. Golfers keep their clothes on while they are being interviewed. Golf doesn't have free agency. In their prime, Palmer, Norman, and other stars, would shake your hand and say they were happy to meet you.  In his prime Jose Canseco wore T-shirts that read "Leave Me Alone."  You can hear birds chirping on the golf course during a tournament.  At a golf tournament, (unlike at taxpayer-funded sports stadiums and arenas)  
you won't hear a steady stream of four letter words and nasty name calling while you're hoping that no one spills beer on you. Tiger hits a golf ball over twice as far as Barry Bonds hits a baseball. Golf courses don't ruin the neighborhood.  
And Finally:  Here's a little slice of golf history that you might enjoy. Why do golf courses have 18 holes - not 20, or 10, or an even dozen?  During a discussion among the club's membership board at St. Andrews in 1858, a senior member pointed out that it takes exactly 18 shots to polish  
off a fifth of Scotch.  By limiting himself to only one shot of  
Scotch per hole, the Scot figured a round of golf was finished when the Scotch ran out. Now you know.

Jim Nugent

Re:Is golf the greatest game?
« Reply #18 on: October 15, 2005, 02:54:59 AM »
Isn't this like asking who is the greatest artist...or musician?  

Dan King

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Re:Is golf the greatest game?
« Reply #19 on: October 15, 2005, 08:49:48 AM »
I was thinking about this topic last night. Everything said so far applies just as well to bocce as to golf with the added benefit of it is easier to hold a drink while playing, it doesn't take nearly as long, and it is much less expensive.

So I was thinking what makes golf better. Funny thing is I was sitting in my library sipping some Redbreast when it came to me. Surrounded by books it hit me, the literature is so much better for golf than bocce and most any other sport (with the possible exception of baseball.)

I can't imagine Wodehouse writing about bocce's oldest member or Darwin writing about some important bocce match he witnessed. Somehow I don't see Herb Wind going on for thousands of words about a trip he made to play bocce is the cold and the wind. I'm not even sure if bocce has pioneers of the sport.

Regardless if it is the history, the lore, the myths, the courses, or even the equipment or instruction, golf has a really nice collection of literature.

Dan King
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That's one more swell thing about golf, it provides ammunition for the social bore. Who doesn't love cornering others with tales of action and adventure starring the self? But racquetball, for instance, has limits in this regard: "I hit it. She hit it. I hit it. She hit it really hard." And so on. Golf on the other hand is picaresque. A good golf bore can produce a regular Odyssey of tedium.
 --P.J. O'Rourke (Men's Journal, 1992)

ForkaB

Re:Is golf the greatest game?
« Reply #20 on: October 15, 2005, 10:17:43 AM »
Baseball is the best game because it is the most difficult (they don't call it "hardball" for nothin') and requires the most varied skills to play.

Golf is the funnest game because you can pretend you are a sportsman all the way through your life, even if you are crap. :)

Dan Joseph

Re:Is golf the greatest game?
« Reply #21 on: October 15, 2005, 07:50:44 PM »
Rich,

If you’re looking for the most difficult game to play, ice hockey should be right at the top.  Any good athlete can pick up baseball, football, soccer, basketball or most other sports and be descent at a low level.  But take a good athlete that has never skated before and have him play hockey where one has to pass, skate, stickhandle and shoot all at a pace much faster than most any other sport.  Give blood, play hockey.

RJ_Daley

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Re:Is golf the greatest game?
« Reply #22 on: October 15, 2005, 11:24:13 PM »
Dan King, come visit me and I'll take you to try Curling...
http://www.curlgb.com/default.htm
It is bocce on ice, actually.  The Bonspiels are pretty good on the grub and pub level also.

But there are all kinds of bocce, and fields and yards and courts of play.
http://www.bocce.com/eastcoast.htm
http://www.bocce.com/clubs.htm

Golf is the greatest sport that can be played skillfullyl across genders, ages, and a multitude of changing fields of play.  

Poker is a game.   ::)
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John Kirk

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Re:Is golf the greatest game?
« Reply #23 on: October 16, 2005, 01:30:23 AM »
How I love basketball.  As a young man it set me free.  Five men working as one, scoring efficiently and defending stubbornly.
 
Make eye contact.  Talk to your opponent.  Box out and get that rebound.  Get that outlet pass out and fill the lanes.  Beat the other team down the floor.    Work it around for an easy shot.  Get back on defense and work our asses off pressuring the ball.

Run, slide, fall down, get up, collide, shove, chatter, cajole, urge, run, run, run!  40 foot bullet pass to a streaking teammate for a reverse layup.  Defend, slide, slide, move, move, move!  Shot!  Get it! Get it!  Let's GO again!  Pull up jumper for two more!  The poetry of the fast break.

Limp off the floor.  Shake hands.  Friendship and respect.  Bask in the glow of another great workout.  My closest friends.

Basketball.

Sean_A

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Re:Is golf the greatest game?
« Reply #24 on: October 16, 2005, 07:53:26 AM »
Never truer words spoken Dan J.  I won a tenner off a guy at my club who claimed that football requires the most skill.  I played a game of football with his mates and was frightfully poor.  He on the other hand refused to lace up!

Ciao

Sean
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