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Paul Richards

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USGA renewal notice
« on: October 01, 2005, 10:23:07 AM »
I just received my USGA renewal notice - FOR THE GOOD OF THE GAME - and this was my response:


Dear USGA


Please consider my membership, which I have held since 1994, and that of my wife, Carol, as suspended until you address the issue which is most pressing in golf today, that technology is ruining the game and making the classic courses obsolete, in addition to a host of other problems.

Please take the time to read Geoff Schackelford’s book, “The Future of Golf” and address the problems that he outlines.

Then we will be happy to renew our memberships.


Paul L. Richards
"Something has to change, otherwise the never-ending arms race that benefits only a few manufacturers will continue to lead to longer courses, narrower fairways, smaller greens, more rough, more expensive rounds, and other mechanisms that will leave golf's future in doubt." -  TFOG

Daniel_Wexler

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Re:USGA renewal notice
« Reply #1 on: October 01, 2005, 12:06:28 PM »
Paul:

Needless to say I applaud your letter, and I'd love to think that if a few thousand more people did the same, the USGA might actually notice.  Unfortunately, the very volume you suggest they read notes a 20% decline in membership prior to October 2003 - and unlike most businesses/organizations, losing one-fifth of their support didn't seem to get too much of their attention.  Makes me yearn for the days when the WGA represented the "loyal opposition" as ANY alternative leadership would look appealing these days.

DW

A_Clay_Man

Re:USGA renewal notice
« Reply #2 on: October 01, 2005, 12:10:52 PM »
I certainly was put off by two recent solicitations, for all of things, greeting cards.

Paul, Are you resigng your membership at that classic course of yours?

Have you thought about using persimmons and balatas so you can enjoy the game more?

Craig Sweet

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Re:USGA renewal notice
« Reply #3 on: October 01, 2005, 12:39:27 PM »
Preserving "classic golf courses" is not the business of the USGA.

It's the responsibility and the duty of the membership of the golf course to determine the direction the club will take regarding the changes in the game. Why just recently I heard of a club relaxing it's rule requiring a "collered" shirt.
No one is above the law. LOCK HIM UP!!!

Daniel_Wexler

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Re:USGA renewal notice
« Reply #4 on: October 01, 2005, 12:44:09 PM »
...But it's the USGA's job to govern those changes.  If they were actually doing it, the membership wouldn't have a whole lot to think about.

DW

ed_getka

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Re:USGA renewal notice
« Reply #5 on: October 01, 2005, 01:44:35 PM »
Paul,
   Good for you. I did the same thing a couple of years back. When I recently received a catalog from the USGA, I ordered the Bobby Jones flicker books. While on was on the phone placing the order they asked if I wanted to sign up to join the USGA, and I told them no because they are letting technology ruin the game.
"Perimeter-weighted fairways", The best euphemism for containment mounding I've ever heard.

Tommy_Naccarato

Re:USGA renewal notice
« Reply #6 on: October 01, 2005, 02:44:44 PM »
Preserving "classic golf courses" is not the business of the USGA.

It's the responsibility and the duty of the membership of the golf course to determine the direction the club will take regarding the changes in the game. Why just recently I heard of a club relaxing it's rule requiring a "collered" shirt.

No Craig, perserving the SPORT is. They have failed at every juncture.

Paul Richards

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Re:USGA renewal notice
« Reply #7 on: October 01, 2005, 04:08:34 PM »
Tommy hits the nail on the head here:

>preserving the SPORT is. They have failed at every juncture


and that is my point.


If they stop getting enough renewal notices, and the coffers start to dwindle, perhaps only then they'll start to notice what they've let happen to this great game.....


"For the good of the game"???????

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"Something has to change, otherwise the never-ending arms race that benefits only a few manufacturers will continue to lead to longer courses, narrower fairways, smaller greens, more rough, more expensive rounds, and other mechanisms that will leave golf's future in doubt." -  TFOG

PThomas

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Re:USGA renewal notice
« Reply #8 on: October 01, 2005, 04:17:55 PM »
stopped  mine several years ago due to numerous issues
199 played, only Augusta National left to play!

ed_getka

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Re:USGA renewal notice
« Reply #9 on: October 01, 2005, 04:49:51 PM »
The unfortunate part is that the coffers won't dwindle I suspect. Don't they make tons of cash off the Opens? :-\
"Perimeter-weighted fairways", The best euphemism for containment mounding I've ever heard.

Tiger_Bernhardt

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Re:USGA renewal notice
« Reply #10 on: October 01, 2005, 07:15:37 PM »
I stoped mine as well a few years back but still do order the xmas cards.

Craig Sweet

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Re:USGA renewal notice
« Reply #11 on: October 01, 2005, 08:28:41 PM »
I totally disagree with the claim that they have failed to "preserve" the sport. When should they have drawn the line? With persimmon woods and balata balls? With 3/4" fairway heights and .25 greens????  

First of all it is NOT their job to "preserve" the sport....whatever that means!  It is their job to oversee the rules and regulations, to gather the turf management research necessary to be a resource for turf managers...but to look after classic courses????? Hardly...

The "sport" is MUCH,MUCH more than high priced classic courses and their membership...and the USGA has to look at what is best for ALL golfers when making rules that affect the game they play....they have to balance this against the manufacturers of equipment and where they are taking the equipment...they have to balance this against the professionals and how they have changed the way the game is played...they have to balance this against shrinking numbers of people playing the game...

So tell me, just WHAT do you think they should preserve????

No one is above the law. LOCK HIM UP!!!

Paul Richards

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Re:USGA renewal notice
« Reply #12 on: October 01, 2005, 10:51:28 PM »
Craig

This is America.  Do as you please.

I, for one, am not going to donate money to a 'charity' that won't do what should be done.

If you please, send them your money, and, let them know they are doing a 'fine job'.

 :P :-[ :'( :'( :'(
"Something has to change, otherwise the never-ending arms race that benefits only a few manufacturers will continue to lead to longer courses, narrower fairways, smaller greens, more rough, more expensive rounds, and other mechanisms that will leave golf's future in doubt." -  TFOG

Craig Sweet

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Re:USGA renewal notice
« Reply #13 on: October 01, 2005, 11:16:29 PM »
Paul, I'm assuming you think they should be more agressively regulating technology.What would you have them do and how would you do it?

If you are a member of a classic course have you been an advocate for longer fairway grass and longer grass on your greens?

Do you think the dead and fast greens at Shinnicock were "perfect"?
No one is above the law. LOCK HIM UP!!!

Craig Sweet

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Re:USGA renewal notice
« Reply #14 on: October 01, 2005, 11:20:26 PM »
BTW Paul, would you like them to say something like this?

"The R&A and the USGA believe, however, that any further significant increases in hitting distances at the highest level are undesirable. Whether these increases in distance emanate from advancing equipment technology, greater athleticism of players, improved player coaching, golf course conditioning or a combination of these or other factors, they will have the impact of seriously reducing the challenge of the game. The consequential lengthening or toughening of courses would be costly or impossible and would have a negative effect on increasingly important environmental and ecological issues. Pace of play would be slowed and playing costs would increase."
No one is above the law. LOCK HIM UP!!!

Jim Thompson

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Re:USGA renewal notice
« Reply #15 on: October 01, 2005, 11:21:19 PM »
Maybe they could start with preserving the cost of playing the game?
As courses get longer, turf heights get lower, greens get faster, bunkers get bigger, and conditions need to be more perfect the cost to provide the game to the public goes up regardless of the age of the course.

Or maybe they could preserve the time constraints of the game?
As courses get longer, rough gets longer, native areas are encroached, carts are mandated, and gps or yardage devices are used the time needed to play the game increases.

Or maybe they could preserve the cost of building the courses the game is played on?
As courses need to be built in larger scale, with better drainage for water hungry turf strands, with less ability to be squeezed into viable settings, and gobble up more land the cost of construction goes up exponentially.

Or maybe they could preserve the totality of the test of the game?  
As finite physical data becomes more available to the player, architects lose the tool of camouflage and deception becoming more or less landscape architects that make stuff pretty rather then testing the players mind and skill.

Or maybe they could defend the game from those that would take advantage of it for purely financial purposes?
As golf as an industry continues to be whored out by real estate developers, equipment manufactures, optics companies, and operators bent on squeezing every dollar out of their customer rather than working in concert with the best interest of the game the popularity of the game decreases.

I think that would be a good start.

The turf growers don’t need the USGA’s help in turf development.  They develop new products for the same reason every other market competitor does – to stay ahead of their competition. As operators all they do is make us more obsolete sooner and force us to charge more to the customer driving down the return and forcing new development in the industry to based on maximizing profit JUST TO BREAK EVEN.  At the current rate, don’t be surprised when the streets go down the center of your favorite fairways.  The membership and local operators won’t have any other choice.  Then the same schmucks that have been ripping the public off for years will be back in the high life of exploiting supply and demand.  Maybe that’s what the USGA is really after; defending their contributors rather than their constituency.  That is the new American way.  Feel safe knowing that if it happens, it was just a result of compromise and good business.  Maybe you’ll be able to play on the simulator at your local bar where you’ll have exact yardage and exact wind direction and speed.  I hope you enjoy the science of golf, because at this rate there won’t be much art left!


Cheers!

JT
Jim Thompson

Craig Sweet

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Re:USGA renewal notice
« Reply #16 on: October 01, 2005, 11:49:23 PM »
"Maybe they could start with preserving the cost of playing the game?
As courses get longer, turf heights get lower, greens get faster, bunkers get bigger, and conditions need to be more perfect the cost to provide the game to the public goes up regardless of the age of the course."

....JIM...isn't cost containment the domain of the membership? Since when has it been the USGA's responsibility?

"Or maybe they could preserve the time constraints of the game?
As courses get longer, rough gets longer, native areas are encroached, carts are mandated, and gps or yardage devices are used the time needed to play the game increases."

.....JIM...once again, that is the responsibility of the membership.

"Or maybe they could preserve the cost of building the courses the game is played on?
As courses need to be built in larger scale, with better drainage for water hungry turf strands, with less ability to be squeezed into viable settings, and gobble up more land the cost of construction goes up exponentially."

JIM...my experience has been it is the golfers that demand "water hungry" turf...and I would argue with you that golf courses "need to be built in larger scale".

"Or maybe they could defend the game from those that would take advantage of it for purely financial purposes?
As golf as an industry continues to be whored out by real estate developers, equipment manufactures, optics companies, and operators bent on squeezing every dollar out of their customer rather than working in concert with the best interest of the game the popularity of the game decreases."

JIM...If we applied that logic (taking advantage for financial purposes) to EVERY profession, no one here could afford membership at those classic courses you want to preserve..."squeezing every dollar" from their choosen profession allowed early industrialists and developers to build the great courses of the golden age....I did not see them "working in concert with the best interest of the game"....

Turf growers DO NEED the USGA's help in turf development. Ask your local Super if the regional USGA agronomist was important this past summer when the mid west and east was under a drought...


No one is above the law. LOCK HIM UP!!!

Paul Richards

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Re:USGA renewal notice
« Reply #17 on: October 02, 2005, 12:23:54 AM »
Craig

Have you read "The Future of Golf" yet?

 ???
"Something has to change, otherwise the never-ending arms race that benefits only a few manufacturers will continue to lead to longer courses, narrower fairways, smaller greens, more rough, more expensive rounds, and other mechanisms that will leave golf's future in doubt." -  TFOG

Jim Thompson

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Re:USGA renewal notice
« Reply #18 on: October 02, 2005, 12:48:49 AM »
"Maybe they could start with preserving the cost of playing the game?
As courses get longer, turf heights get lower, greens get faster, bunkers get bigger, and conditions need to be more perfect the cost to provide the game to the public goes up regardless of the age of the course."

....JIM...isn't cost containment the domain of the membership? Since when has it been the USGA's responsibility?

Since they admitted clubs as members.  Shouldn’t a club with members support its member clubs?  Isn’t that why I pay dues as a USGA Member course?


"Or maybe they could preserve the time constraints of the game?
As courses get longer, rough gets longer, native areas are encroached, carts are mandated, and gps or yardage devices are used the time needed to play the game increases."

.....JIM...once again, that is the responsibility of the membership.

So every club should get a few tread mills as players are going to have to learn to walk 8500 yards in the time it took to walk 6500.  Maybe each club can get an on staff opthamologist to speed up the rate in which they can find the balls they just hit out of their visual field.  Maybe clubs can get faster carts that do more damage to the turf when they turn.  Oh I know, how foolish of me, clubs should have 18 rangers on duty at all times to watch all the holes.  That'll make the game more enjoyable and lower costs.

"Or maybe they could preserve the cost of building the courses the game is played on?
As courses need to be built in larger scale, with better drainage for water hungry turf strands, with less ability to be squeezed into viable settings, and gobble up more land the cost of construction goes up exponentially."

JIM...my experience has been it is the golfers that demand "water hungry" turf...and I would argue with you that golf courses "need to be built in larger scale".

Funny, I have a very nice firm and fast course with golden brown rough that is doing great in the market.  In fact players here prefer it to green.  Further the trend in private clubs is that if it costs more it must be better.  I think this is just an excuse for financial exclusionism.

"Or maybe they could defend the game from those that would take advantage of it for purely financial purposes?
As golf as an industry continues to be whored out by real estate developers, equipment manufactures, optics companies, and operators bent on squeezing every dollar out of their customer rather than working in concert with the best interest of the game the popularity of the game decreases."

JIM...If we applied that logic (taking advantage for financial purposes) to EVERY profession, no one here could afford membership at those classic courses you want to preserve..."squeezing every dollar" from their choosen profession allowed early industrialists and developers to build the great courses of the golden age....I did not see them "working in concert with the best interest of the game"....

So I should raise my rate to $85 a round next summer?  Historically I don’t think the robber barons are very well respected in history.  I've never met a greedy bastard who was much of a man.  Most of them die alone in their pile of money.  I'd much rather be associated with those that want a standard of life rather than a standard of living.  I don’t particularly care about the classic course, especially that private ones.  When push comes to shove they’ll just move to new land and build new, leaving a residential development in their wake.

Turf growers DO NEED the USGA's help in turf development. Ask your local Super if the regional USGA agronomist was important this past summer when the mid west and east was under a drought...

You know, when I paid my supers cell bill this summer I couldn’t help but notice how many people called him for advice.  I believe the USGA also called him to ask him the methods to be used in Michigan based on his experience with various regions and conditions.  I went to many a lunch where chem and fert vendors asked his advice.  Don’t remember the USGA being to well touted in those meetings either.  Seed sellers can do their own development, as for management I'll take the GCSAA membership and the MSU & PSU turf schools over the USGA anyday.

As I look back on the people I respect most in my life, I don’t recall any of them ever telling me to compromise and do the easy thing.  In fact my grandfathers both told me that no matter what happens in life, I should do the right thing no matter how difficult.  Someday I'm going to have to answer to them and probably someone a little bigger too.  I'll stick with the right thing you can have the profitable compromise.

Jim Thompson

Daniel_Wexler

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Re:USGA renewal notice
« Reply #19 on: October 02, 2005, 03:21:15 AM »
"JIM...isn't cost containment the domain of the membership? Since when has it been the USGA's responsibility?"

Craig:

If the USGA had limited technological advancement in a meaningful and timely manor, we would not have a need for 7,700-yard courses.  That statement is fairly well indisputable.  So while you seemingly don't care about keeping old courses relevant, past records meaningful, old-style strategy and shotmaking a part of the game, etc., it is very difficult to argue that the USGA's inactivity has not been directly responsible for the game's ever-growing cost.  Longer courses mandate substantially more acreage, which in turn means larger acquisition costs, larger maintenance budgets, higher property taxes, etc. -- every cent of which gets passed on directly to the player.  And that's not even getting into the ridiculous prices one must pay for modern equipment, the lack of which makes one non-competitive at almost any level.

Now, if you or anyone else can tell us something POSITIVE about unregulated equipment growth, then you might make the argument that the greater expense is somehow worth it.  But while I often hear people apologizing for the USGA with "the traditionalists are overreacting" and "it's not THAT bad," I cannot recall anyone telling us specifically how this technological explosion is in any way improving or advancing the game.  Actually, that's not strictly true; the manufacturers initially told us that this would make the game so much more fun that its popularity would soar...but with the number of players having declined in recent years, you don't hear that blatantly self-serving argument being advanced too much anymore.

So for all of the added expense, the altering of courses and the stark obsolescence of much of the game's past, what are we GAINING by all of this??


"If the makers of cricket balls suddenly produced one which a schoolboy could hit over the Lord's pavilion, the authorities would not increase the size of Lord's, but inform the ball-maker what he could do with his new ball."  -- Henry Longhurst

Craig Sweet

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Re:USGA renewal notice
« Reply #20 on: October 02, 2005, 08:13:19 AM »
I think its unbelievable that anyone can lay the blame for the "higher cost" of golf, 7800 yard courses, cart paths, their Supers cell phone bill...etc.etc...on the USGA...

Jim...you own your course...I pay attention to what you post here, and have considered you an enlightened owner, but your response is, sadly, out of whack...

Right now, I have to head for work and mow some greens...if there isn't a frost delay this morning :)

Perhaps, when I return I'll comment more on your post.
No one is above the law. LOCK HIM UP!!!

PThomas

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Re:USGA renewal notice
« Reply #21 on: October 02, 2005, 08:27:40 AM »
well said Daniel W!
199 played, only Augusta National left to play!

Kelly Blake Moran

Re:USGA renewal notice
« Reply #22 on: October 02, 2005, 11:38:29 AM »
Paul Richards,

Just a suggestion.  Put your sentiments onto an electronic letterhead format, come up with some name and logo to put on the letterhead, something like "Friends of Golf", and when we get our renewal notices we can download it, put our names at the bottom and send it in to them.  I stop renewing about 2 years ago but never took the time to write a letter.  Maybe our renewal fees can go to this type of organized response.

Craig Sweet

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Re:USGA renewal notice
« Reply #23 on: October 02, 2005, 01:49:11 PM »
PAUL...

You consider technology to be "the issue which is most pressing in golf today,that technology is ruining the game and making the classic courses obsolete..."

How is technology ruining the game? How should the USGA go about addressing this issue?

It's funny, but a LOT of things created, constructed, manufactured, 100 years ago, are becoming "obsolete". Why should golf courses be any different? Do you drive a 1925 Ford? Does your home still utilize a 1915 furnace to supply heat? Do you use hickory shafted clubs, write with a quill pen, use an old style coffee pot???
No one is above the law. LOCK HIM UP!!!

Sean_A

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Re:USGA renewal notice
« Reply #24 on: October 02, 2005, 02:03:38 PM »
I don't support the USGA, but I don't blame this organization for the state of the game today.  If there is something amiss with the game, golfers are to blame.  Golfers are the people footing the bill.  It is much easier to blame some organization rather than to look in the mirror.  

I think Craig is getting a hard knock here.  Are people saying golf as a business is not cunsumer driven?  Are people saying the USGA is the driving force behind change in the game?  Or are people saying that the USGA should have better controlled the changes in the game?  If the USGA should have better controlled changes in the game, how do people propose they do so?  

If distance is the perceived problem, I am not convinced.  Distance doesn't effect me at all.  It is an issue which needs to be addressed by the pros and top amateurs.  I don't care how far the pros hit the ball, it has nothing to do with me. If handicapped players are concerned about how far they hit the ball, they don't need a ruling body in golf to make decisions for them.  These players can take it upon themselves not to hit the ball so far.  

If courses are becoming obsolete because pros hit the ball too far, so what?  What has that to do with me?  I am not a member of one of these clubs the is being sidelined from the big time.  It is up to respective club memberships to figure out if they want to keep up with the Jones family or not.  

If people stop watching pro golf because the courses are boring, again, what do I care?  It is up to the pros to figure out how to keep the punters interested.  None of my business.  

If golf becomes more expensive because of distance, this I do care about.  However, it is down to the consumer to vote with their pocket books.  Apparently, many punters are still willing to pay well over sensible prices because they can afford it.  

Ciao

Sean
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