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Scott_Burroughs

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Construction pics of Doak's Tumble Creek, Roslyn, WA
« on: October 05, 2004, 11:44:53 AM »












rgkeller

Re:Construction pics of Doak's Tumble Creek, Roslyn, WA
« Reply #1 on: October 05, 2004, 11:47:42 AM »
Very minimalist.

Jfaspen

Re:Construction pics of Doak's Tumble Creek, Roslyn, WA
« Reply #2 on: October 05, 2004, 12:18:29 PM »
I enjoyed the first picture, but I think it is premature to judge the methods being used (the posting of several pictures of earthmovers).


Dan Herrmann

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Re:Construction pics of Doak's Tumble Creek, Roslyn, WA
« Reply #3 on: October 05, 2004, 12:51:54 PM »
Trivia - Roslyn, WA is where they shot the outdoor shots for the Northern Exposure TV show back in the 90's.    In fact, if you watch the opening of the show, you'll see a moose cross in front of a big sign for "Roslyn's Diner".  The TV folks just taped an 's to the end of Roslyn to make it look like it was in "Alaska".

I think Central/Western Washington could be the site of some great golf courses a'la Central Oregon.

Dan Kelly

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Re:Construction pics of Doak's Tumble Creek, Roslyn, WA
« Reply #4 on: October 05, 2004, 01:03:15 PM »
I enjoyed the first picture, but I think it is premature to judge the methods being used (the posting of several pictures of earthmovers).

To the group:

Why should we EVER judge the methods being used, unless we're the ones paying the bills?

Isn't the golf course, ultimately, the only thing for the rest of us to judge?

Is there anyone here who would prefer a mediocre "minimalist" hole to a great "manufactured" one? If so: Why?
"There's no money in doing less." -- Joe Hancock, 11/25/2010
"Rankings are silly and subjective..." -- Tom Doak, 3/12/2016

JakaB

Re:Construction pics of Doak's Tumble Creek, Roslyn, WA
« Reply #5 on: October 05, 2004, 01:09:47 PM »
Do any of you think The Blind Doak would be cutting that hill to open up the visuals....

Mike Nuzzo

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Re:Construction pics of Doak's Tumble Creek, Roslyn, WA
« Reply #6 on: October 05, 2004, 01:16:13 PM »
Do any of you think The Blind Doak would be cutting that hill to open up the visuals....

Visuals for the cart path?
Thinking of Bob, Rihc, Bill, George, Neil, Dr. Childs, & Tiger.

Kevin_Reilly

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Re:Construction pics of Doak's Tumble Creek, Roslyn, WA
« Reply #7 on: October 05, 2004, 01:22:26 PM »
Very minimalist.

RG,

If the name on this thread was Fazio instead of Doak, and you saw the picture below, would you feel the same ?


Come on, they are moving some serious dirt there !

RG needs to find a sarcasm smilie to accompany his posts.  :D
"GOLF COURSES SHOULD BE ENJOYED RATHER THAN RATED" - Tom Watson

Dan Kelly

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Re:Construction pics of Doak's Tumble Creek, Roslyn, WA
« Reply #8 on: October 05, 2004, 01:24:26 PM »
Very minimalist.

RG,

If the name on this thread was Fazio instead of Doak, and you saw the picture below, would you feel the same ?


Come on, they are moving some serious dirt there !

RG needs to find a sarcasm smilie to accompany his posts.  :D

No, he doesn't.

Now, as to my questions ...
"There's no money in doing less." -- Joe Hancock, 11/25/2010
"Rankings are silly and subjective..." -- Tom Doak, 3/12/2016

A_Clay_Man

Re:Construction pics of Doak's Tumble Creek, Roslyn, WA
« Reply #9 on: October 05, 2004, 03:08:27 PM »
I think Central/Western Washington could be the site of some great golf courses a'la Central Oregon.

Dan- I can't find it now, but I once came across some golf in central washington, called Pasture golf.

I believe it was minimalism taken to the extreme and the  maintenace dept.

Here it is;
 http://www.pasturegolf.com/

And here some pictures;

http://www.pasturegolf.com/archive/range.htm
« Last Edit: October 05, 2004, 03:13:35 PM by Adam Clayman »

Joe Hancock

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Re:Construction pics of Doak's Tumble Creek, Roslyn, WA
« Reply #10 on: October 05, 2004, 09:12:59 PM »
Is there a standard, or set of criteria that would make something minimalist or not? I'm asking without a smiley....

Joe
" What the hell is the point of architecture and excellence in design if a "clever" set up trumps it all?" Peter Pallotta, June 21, 2016

"People aren't picking a side of the fairway off a tee because of a randomly internally contoured green ."  jeffwarne, February 24, 2017

David_Tepper

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Re:Construction pics of Doak's Tumble Creek, Roslyn, WA
« Reply #11 on: October 05, 2004, 09:53:04 PM »
Can someone tell me what the silver/gray areas are in the 2nd & 3rd photos? It looks like crushed stone in some sort of a liner bed. Will this area be a pond? Just curious.  

Don Dinkmeyer

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Re:Construction pics of Doak's Tumble Creek, Roslyn, WA
« Reply #12 on: October 05, 2004, 10:35:24 PM »
I am assuming the 2nd and 3rd will be a green, and the last might be a bunker...but willing to learn!

Mike Nuzzo

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Re:Construction pics of Doak's Tumble Creek, Roslyn, WA
« Reply #13 on: October 05, 2004, 10:52:06 PM »
The gravel is the 4" layer that is placed under the 12" of seedbed or green mixture.  The black tarp is where the greenmix will be filled to - which keeps the moisture in the green cavity.  The gravel keeps the moisture within the greenmix via capilary action.  The spacing in the gravel is larger than the spaces within the sand.  There was a good thread a few weeks ago with some more green construction details.

Go Yanks!
« Last Edit: October 06, 2004, 09:04:02 AM by Mike_Nuzzo »
Thinking of Bob, Rihc, Bill, George, Neil, Dr. Childs, & Tiger.

Tom_Doak

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Re:Construction pics of Doak's Tumble Creek, Roslyn, WA
« Reply #14 on: October 06, 2004, 12:27:04 AM »
I was hoping these were more recent grow-in pictures, since nearly all of the holes have been seeded now and some growing for about two months, but no such luck.

The photo of the large bulldozer at work is from the par-5 fourth hole.  We moved about 100,000 cubic yards on the golf course and half of it was on this hole, so that the routing could surmount a 100-foot ridge in the middle of the front nine.  As a result, the other eight holes on that nine required no heavy earthmoving at all.  I considered this a good trade-off.  You'll probably be able to tell we moved some earth on the fourth, but I doubt it will look as significant as what was actually done.

That's nothing compared to the earth we are moving in Palm Desert this week.

P.S. to Joe:  Minimalism is just a marketing term now; everyone uses it and there are no guidelines.  I don't care what you call what I do, as long as you call the finished product very good.
« Last Edit: October 06, 2004, 12:28:46 AM by Tom_Doak »

Dan Herrmann

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Re:Construction pics of Doak's Tumble Creek, Roslyn, WA
« Reply #15 on: October 19, 2005, 12:46:48 PM »
It's been a year since the last post (time flies!)

How goes the project?

Tom_Doak

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Re:Construction pics of Doak's Tumble Creek, Roslyn, WA
« Reply #16 on: October 19, 2005, 01:32:24 PM »
They opened the front nine in July and the back in September, just in time to close for the year pretty soon.  (Late fall comes quickly up in Cle Elum.)  Unfortunately, I didn't have a chance to play this fall, as their main events conflicted with my trip to Scotland.  Jon Cummings did play, and posted something a couple of weeks back.

I just saw some photos of the course from Dick Durrance and from Larry Lambrecht ... hopefully their web site will have updated pics of the back nine soon.

Brock Peyer

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Re:Construction pics of Doak's Tumble Creek, Roslyn, WA
« Reply #17 on: October 19, 2005, 02:47:13 PM »
Tom, the mounds in the seventh picture from the top are unlike anything that I have seen on your other courses....what was the inspiration for them?








Sorry, feeling more sarcastic today than ususal.  It is neat to see the "behind the scenes" pix.

Dan Kelly

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Re:Construction pics of Doak's Tumble Creek, Roslyn, WA
« Reply #18 on: October 19, 2005, 04:12:27 PM »
Tom, the mounds in the seventh picture from the top are unlike anything that I have seen on your other courses....what was the inspiration for them?

Those are known, in the trade, as "Madonnas."
"There's no money in doing less." -- Joe Hancock, 11/25/2010
"Rankings are silly and subjective..." -- Tom Doak, 3/12/2016

Chris Munoz

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Re:Construction pics of Doak's Tumble Creek, Roslyn, WA
« Reply #19 on: October 19, 2005, 06:44:43 PM »
Tom just wondering why are the workers wearing the yellow bibs?????What is the purpose and how does it make it a safer work enivronment, when building a golf course??????

Chris Munoz (Muni)
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Jonathan Cummings

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Re:Construction pics of Doak's Tumble Creek, Roslyn, WA
« Reply #20 on: October 19, 2005, 08:35:27 PM »
There is a herd of 400 elk that come down to Tumble every evening to dine, spar, mate and trumpet their opinion on their former pastureland's new form.  

They bugle a discordant tune.

Golfing-wise Tumble has some 12-pointers... and some mule deers.

I think you will cement a better opinion if you play it now then if you play it in a couple of years....

jaycee

Tommy_Naccarato

Re:Construction pics of Doak's Tumble Creek, Roslyn, WA
« Reply #21 on: October 19, 2005, 11:12:30 PM »
Chris,
I had a this foreman who was a friend and golf partner outside of work, and in 1996, we would work our asses off all day, get off and head for Long Beach Big Rec or Little Rec Park for a quick round or as many holes as we could get in before sunset.

This was a heavy duty job in for the Port of Los Angeles on Terminal Island. He always had to tell us to make sure we we're wearing out orange vests out there, given all of the heavy duty earth-moving equipment that was on the job.

Well, after that job, he took a position with another contractor during the building of Disneyland's California Adventure. They didn't have orange vests for that job, and one day when working with some duct bank around a 6 foot deep trench, he had a back hoe literally swing his bucket and hit him in the side of the head.

He has never been the same since. His life more or less ended that day, and the last time I saw him at our Union Hall, he was literally reduced to being a person who nothing more then observer in life. He lost everything--including his wife and kids, while becoming destitute. The Union has always tried to keep an eye on him because it was a tragic accident--but he only becomes aggitated. I heard he was last seen living in a refridgerator box somewhere in Chino.

When Cal-OSHA investigated, the cause was determined to be that the back hoe operator never saw him because he wasn't wearing a bright orange safety vest.

Frankly speaking, I have always found in my business that the person who makes fun of safety or being safe--usually ends up being a victim. I pray that doesn't happen to you.

Go look at one of the many websites concerning on the job accidents and tell me that Orange Vests aren't a good thing. But you can also look at it this way. The same job in the Harbor, the  first week I was out there in 1996, a Mantowoc crane had its main 2" cable break and had its 75' boom come crashing down from its elevated position. Beneath it was a guy who I had coffee with 2 hours before. The paramedics called to the scene utilized his orange vest to pull his body out from underneth it, because his body was reduced to a bag of bones. Most hopefully, he didn't see or feel a thing.

Tom_Doak

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Re:Construction pics of Doak's Tumble Creek, Roslyn, WA
« Reply #22 on: October 20, 2005, 08:21:42 AM »
Luckily, in eighteen years of building golf courses, the most severe accident we've had was an associate getting his hand pinched (and severely cut) in the hinge of the door of a bulldozer.  The handle was always getting stuck, and he made the mistake of bracing himself to yank on it by putting his other hand on the hinge.

Safety is a serious issue.  It always amazes me how much we have to pay for insurance to cover these guys running equipment, because they are careful and conscientious, and they're usually running the machines where there is no one else around.  But accidents can be very expensive, and not just in terms of dollars and cents.

PS  I've always declined to wear a safety vest on the job, but I also stay out of the way of swinging booms and cranes.

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