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Alex_Wyatt

If money were not the issue...best Ryder Cup course
« on: September 20, 2004, 11:22:47 AM »
Augusta National. Absolutely no question. The greatest match play course ever built. Any other ideas?
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Paul Richards

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Re:If money were not the issue...best Ryder Cup course
« Reply #1 on: September 20, 2004, 11:27:41 AM »
Cypress Point would be a spectacular match-play course - and Ryder Cup venue - as well as being the closest place on Earth to Heaven!!!

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John_Cullum

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Re:If money were not the issue...best Ryder Cup course
« Reply #2 on: September 20, 2004, 11:30:05 AM »
I don't see Augusta natl as a great match play course. 16, 17, and 18 are not strategic holes in my view. I think a place like TPC Sawgrass. 16, possible eagle; 17, do or die; 18, demanding tee shot to win a hole.
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Bill Gayne

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Re:If money were not the issue...best Ryder Cup course
« Reply #3 on: September 20, 2004, 11:30:53 AM »
Alex,

Which version of ANGC?
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Alex_Wyatt

Re:If money were not the issue...best Ryder Cup course
« Reply #4 on: September 20, 2004, 11:33:56 AM »
Remember, most matches never get to 18.   12, 13, 15, 16 are all great swing holes.   I prefer 20 years or 60 years ago, but I will take the present version. Setup-wise, one would want a minimum of rough, obviously.
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Jason Tetterton

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Re:If money were not the issue...best Ryder Cup course
« Reply #5 on: September 20, 2004, 11:56:15 AM »
The Old Course, St. Andrews would be an excellent choice.  Strategy...wind...it offers a lot to the viewer and the player.
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Dan Herrmann

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Re:If money were not the issue...best Ryder Cup course
« Reply #6 on: September 20, 2004, 03:29:13 PM »
In my opinion, not the K Club.  A Palmer design, it's as 'American' a course as you're likely to find in all of Ireland.  

I went to the European Open there about 5 years ago, and was amazed at how bland the course played, compared to the thrilling links/heathland courses in Ireland.
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Jfaspen

Re:If money were not the issue...best Ryder Cup course
« Reply #7 on: September 20, 2004, 03:36:15 PM »
Quote from: Paul Richards on September 20, 2004, 11:27:41 AM
Cypress Point would be a spectacular match-play course - and Ryder Cup venue - as well as being the closest place on Earth to Heaven!!!



Glad to see someone else was thinking this.  Picturesque historic setting.  The short par 4, the tough 16th and demanding 17th would make for a killer finish.  Uphill 18th with wind might be very difficult too.  I would be interested to see how 15 and 16 would play (2 par 3's being back to back in the area where a lot of matches are decided).  Imagine being 2 down, winning 15 and then having to tee off first on the 225yrd 16th.

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Paul Richards

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Re:If money were not the issue...best Ryder Cup course
« Reply #8 on: September 20, 2004, 03:37:17 PM »
Dan

I totally agree with you.

The K-Club is a parkland course.

Certainly NOT the reason you'd go to play golf in Ireland!

In fact, it's not even a very good parkland course. If it were anywhere in America, not funded by an overzealous (not to mention rich benefactor), it wouldn't even make it onto anyone's radar in the States.

It's just another OK course by Palmer.  Except that it happens to be in Ireland.  Ireland was due for a Ryder Cup.  And the owner was willing and able to spend a ton of money to secure it.

Sad, but true.
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Dan_Callahan

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Re:If money were not the issue...best Ryder Cup course
« Reply #9 on: September 20, 2004, 04:32:08 PM »
Impossible to speculate, so I have to go with the course that created one of the most memorable Ryder Cups I can remember: Kiawah. Visually stunning and unique, over-the-top difficult, unpredictable weather. It's perfectly suited to match play and to drawing a huge TV audience.
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Rick Shefchik

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Re:If money were not the issue...best Ryder Cup course
« Reply #10 on: September 20, 2004, 05:06:03 PM »
The Belfry. ;)
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Scott_Burroughs

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Re:If money were not the issue...best Ryder Cup course
« Reply #11 on: September 20, 2004, 05:07:25 PM »
Kiawah as a linksy course was a fine venue (although the current version of the course is supposedly better), so how about other U.S.-linksy courses such as Bandon, Sutton Bay, or Sand Hills?  (Never mind location and logistics, of course).  

I've only played Bandon and could see some good match play holes there (espiecially from the tips): #3, #5, #9, #12 (into the wind), #15 (into the wind), and especially #16 downwind.
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Jeff Goldman

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Re:If money were not the issue...best Ryder Cup course
« Reply #12 on: September 20, 2004, 05:08:44 PM »
Regionally, the river course at BWR.  A ton of risk reward par 4s and 5s.  2, 6, 8, 9, 11, 14-16.

Jeff Goldman
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Mike_Sweeney

Re:If money were not the issue...best Ryder Cup course
« Reply #13 on: September 20, 2004, 05:11:57 PM »
I am somwhat disappointed in the treehouse. Wouldn't Painswick be the best Ryder Cup venue, at least for GCAers ?
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Philippe Binette

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Re:If money were not the issue...best Ryder Cup course
« Reply #14 on: September 20, 2004, 05:49:05 PM »
How about Shinnecock Hills, but no need to put the greens that fast....
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Kenny Lee Puckett

Re:If money were not the issue...best Ryder Cup course
« Reply #15 on: September 20, 2004, 05:56:43 PM »
U.S.A. - Pine Valley

Haven't played many of the European courses to make an on the ground opinion, but HCEC might be the way to go on a match play venue.

JWK

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Doug Wright

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Re:If money were not the issue...best Ryder Cup course
« Reply #16 on: September 21, 2004, 09:56:43 AM »
Quote from: redanman on September 21, 2004, 08:29:09 AM
Then we might find out who has the heart and the adaptive skills. ;)

BillV/Redanman,

Based on recent results, I think we know the answer to this question.

Best,
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Paul Richards

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Re:If money were not the issue...best Ryder Cup course
« Reply #17 on: September 21, 2004, 09:56:46 AM »
redanman

you had me until the 'no caddies' part ....

 ;)
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ForkaB

Re:If money were not the issue...best Ryder Cup course
« Reply #18 on: September 21, 2004, 10:14:21 AM »
Quote from: Mike Sweeney on September 20, 2004, 05:11:57 PM
I am somwhat disappointed in the treehouse. Wouldn't Painswick be the best Ryder Cup venue, at least for GCAers ?


Mike

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Paul Richards

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Re:If money were not the issue...best Ryder Cup course
« Reply #19 on: September 21, 2004, 10:25:17 AM »
>Let the suckers slog their own tooor bags.

That would make it verrrrrrry interesting! ;)
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Jack_Marr

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Re:If money were not the issue...best Ryder Cup course
« Reply #20 on: September 21, 2004, 12:51:44 PM »
Not Old Head anyway. All the spectators would fall off the course into the sea.

Over here, I think Portmarnock would be an excellent matchplay course. I think it's a course you have to put a lot of thought into. My top choice over here though would be Lahinch.
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Bill Gayne

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Re:If money were not the issue...best Ryder Cup course
« Reply #21 on: September 21, 2004, 01:16:40 PM »
What's the best locations for the US and British Amateur Championships? If these are great match play courses for the best amateur players then they should be the same for team match play events. The most recent US Am. at Oakmont was pretty exciting to watch. The Olymplic Club has hosted some great US Ams.
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Mark_Rowlinson

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Re:If money were not the issue...best Ryder Cup course
« Reply #22 on: September 21, 2004, 02:33:26 PM »
The (British) Amateur Championship has always been held on a top links course apart from three excursions 12 miles inland to Ganton which is to all intents and purposes an inland links.  I'd like to propose Turnberry - remember that great head-to-head with Watson and Nicklaus, pure matchplay but with every stroke counting.
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Tony Petersen

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Re:If money were not the issue...best Ryder Cup course
« Reply #23 on: September 21, 2004, 03:45:15 PM »
 ;D Sand Hills !!! And everyone could drink single-malt on Ben's Porch at the conclusion of each day! Hiwan Golf Club is another, and The Minikahda Club (after the restoration) would be fantastic  ;D
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Re:If money were not the issue...best Ryder Cup course
« Reply #24 on: September 21, 2004, 08:28:25 PM »
Bandon and Pacific were built for match play!

Never mind that Johnnie Miller would probably have to camp at Bullock State Park next door! 8)
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