This hole is coming soon to a My Home Course, but I wanted to see what you guys think -- just from the picture.

This is the 17th at York CC in York, NE (Huck's favorite course  ). It is 272 yards from the tips. The first pic is from the tee box, the second from just at the edge of the first landing area.

It's about 135 yards to the center of the first landing area. 210 to the tree in the fairway (the island, as the locals call it) and about a 255 yard carry to the green over the water.

You can do many things on the hole. My scores have ranged from 2 - 11 on the hole.  

And, not to jack the an earlier thread, but our back nine was one of Jim Engh's first solo projects with the help of Landscapes Unlimited I believe.

Thanks, in advance.

Bombs away! I would hit 3-wood most of the time. I love short par 4s that penalize the big hitter that sprays it, but gives the big hitter a chance to make an ace.

Are those rocks front right of the green?

It looks like a fun hole. It provides several options of clubs to hit off the tee, as well as requiring some guts. How far is it to carry the first crossing of the creek? If the other holes on this course are as good, why isn't it mentioned more?

Tony- Just so noone confuses this discussion group with a love fest ...

The cart path, water and tree are big issues, for me. I know the rocks are, for our well travelled Mayor.

What's long? And how soft are the greens on any typical day?

If this is one, of two holes on the course, that dicate this much shot testing, I'd say it's o.k. Otherwise, if there's more, it's the epitome of target golf, more fitting a desert.

A great way to test the better players driving accuracy, not!

How was that? Not to fluffy or sugar coated was it?

Discuss

255 to the center of the green how. that means it is about a 230 carry to that front bunker. for the longer player that may be a 2 iron or 5 wood to get it in there. which to me does not make it long enough. It looks like a fun hole though. I would not complain about it on my home course if it was the only one of that nature.

If the tree were replaced by a green without bunkers backing up to the water behind, this would be a very nice par three.

Guys - Thanks for all the comments. I was expecting to see all sides of the spectrum on this and you guys didn't disappoint. I will try to answer some specific questions that you guys had.

Adam - First, what's long? Well, its mostly rough and it slopes pretty decently downhill and this green breaks pretty well, from back to front and left to right towards the creek. You could actually hit in the hazard over the green if you are not careful. I am actually finding this green harder to hit for big hitters, because their drivers go TOO FAR now.

Second, the greens. I would say they are medium firm. I driver or 3-wood hit high enough is going to hold the green if you land in the middle. Anything hit too far past middle will probably go over the green.

SPDB - You are correct, most players use as little as wedge to layup then another wedge to the hole.

As far as challenging the tree on the "island", it is a must. If you hit the ball anywhere at the tree or to the right of it, you will probably have to hit a low punch to the green.

Brian Noser - It's 255 to carry the creek, not to the middle of the green. It about 270 to the middle of the green.

A little more history on the hole. The tree was not planted there, it was there when we were building the hole. The waste bunker you see in the second picture was added about four years after we opened the back nine. It comes into play on the parallel hole as well (#13 - a par-5). It would get more use, if the tree weren't in the fairway.

The only thing I have with the hole is the tree. It does take the second area out of the play a ton off the tee. What I like about the lay up shot is that it seems that is the safest shot off the tee, but it brings the highest numbers into play because you still have "execute" the second short shot as well. Hit driver in the water and you drop, chip and make no worse that 5 normally.

Thanks for all the comments, I don't care if you like the hole or not. I used to hate it, but I have learned to appreciate a little more thanks to the forum.

How about this?   Lose the tree and put a challenging smallish bunker in its place, maybe with a little grass grown on the face.  If you land in it, you have a little more of a task, but are not stymied like with the tree.  

Tony-
What's that under the big tree down the middle?

Even easier - how about a grass bunker in place of the tree?

Upon further reflection, this is an absolutely aweful golf hole.  I still like it, though.

Mike

C'mon Mike - "Absolutely awful." I have played this hole many times and I would just describe it as "terrible."  

Gang - Would it be fun to do this more often. Kind of like Scott's AOTD's. Someone can post there hole for the day and we just go at it about the merits for awhile. I have like this little thread.

Actually, it is a good golf hole; if for no other reason that an option of play exists, and, that the option exists for each the big-hitter and the short-hitter. If the hole was 295 yards it would even be better. I like the idea of it...