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David Jones

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Re: Why hasn’t the Postage Stamp become a template?
« Reply #75 on: January 13, 2022, 12:47:47 PM »
The closest I’ve seen of it being replicated is the 9th at Silloth although the mound on the left is more a bank and the drop of on the right while pronounced isn’t quite as severe as the “original”. The green is also slightly bigger (c.4,000 sqft).


Interestingly Willie Fernie didn’t design the Postage Stamp until 1910 and then it was James Braid who put the bunker in at the bottom of the mound on the left ahead of the 1923 Open and that really made the hole what it is today.


The site of the current 9th green at Silloth was one of the original green sites for the original course in 1892 although the tee shot was longer and played over the ridge to a blind green. Willie Park Jnr did some design work there sometime between 1898 and 1902 and is credited with creating a hole playing from the back of the current tee to the site of the present green. There were also some other changes in 1908 and it’s not certain what happened when.


However I have a report of Fernie doing work at Silloth in 1912 and that isn’t in the Silloth history book. So did Fernie tweak the hole at Silloth in 1912 to resemble the Postage Stamp or was it already like that and he borrowed the idea for the hole at Troon ?
 
Niall


I played Silloth this week with your words ringing in my ears Niall. Here are a couple of shots I took of the 9th. Definite Postage Stamp vibes when playing it.













David Ober

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Re: Why hasn’t the Postage Stamp become a template?
« Reply #76 on: January 14, 2022, 12:47:39 AM »
#10 at Wilshire, but Bill makes a good point - the wind - which is why the closest to me is still #13 at Spanish Bay.


But Pebble #7 has to be put on the list too.


Maybe neither are a strict "links" - but the individual elements are there.


The putting surface may be a bit too large, but #3 at Spyglass gives everybody the fits when the wind is dialed up.


In that case, where does #11 at Pac Dunes sit - besides in the pantheon?


There is no doubt the former #15 at Olympic Lake qualified absolutely (though not a links in the strict definition) - the tee was oriented directly at a green complex surrounded by death bunkers and the putting surface was little more than a ribbonesque halfpipe, built up at the edges from decades buildup from sand from the adjacent bunkers.


Weiskopf rebuilt it (and then the club tweaked it), erasing half the character and challenge of the shot. Unlike the Postage Stamp, just sitting there in a screaming gale with its middle finger stuck up at the tee, #15 at O-Club was totally blind.


10 at Wilshire. So good!


And yes, 3 at Spyglass is a blast in the wind but isn't it 175 or so?

Jeff Schley

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Re: Why hasn’t the Postage Stamp become a template?
« Reply #77 on: January 14, 2022, 02:51:08 AM »
The closest I’ve seen of it being replicated is the 9th at Silloth although the mound on the left is more a bank and the drop of on the right while pronounced isn’t quite as severe as the “original”. The green is also slightly bigger (c.4,000 sqft).


Interestingly Willie Fernie didn’t design the Postage Stamp until 1910 and then it was James Braid who put the bunker in at the bottom of the mound on the left ahead of the 1923 Open and that really made the hole what it is today.


The site of the current 9th green at Silloth was one of the original green sites for the original course in 1892 although the tee shot was longer and played over the ridge to a blind green. Willie Park Jnr did some design work there sometime between 1898 and 1902 and is credited with creating a hole playing from the back of the current tee to the site of the present green. There were also some other changes in 1908 and it’s not certain what happened when.


However I have a report of Fernie doing work at Silloth in 1912 and that isn’t in the Silloth history book. So did Fernie tweak the hole at Silloth in 1912 to resemble the Postage Stamp or was it already like that and he borrowed the idea for the hole at Troon ?
 
Niall


I played Silloth this week with your words ringing in my ears Niall. Here are a couple of shots I took of the 9th. Definite Postage Stamp vibes when playing it.











Wow David wonderful shots.  Very good perspective of the elevation and shapes.
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Thomas Dai

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Re: Why hasn’t the Postage Stamp become a template?
« Reply #78 on: January 14, 2022, 03:59:45 AM »
Out of interest how does the Postage Stamp hole at Troon play in relation to the prevailing wind direction?
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