[Steve_ Shaffer]

How long will this demand last, or more importantly, how long will member prospects patiently wait?

Supply chain backups and logistical logjams seem to be affecting every sector of America’s economy these days, and continued strong consumer demand only exacerbates these macro-economic matters.To be sure, the golf industry is dealing with these same dynamics, and it’s not just confined to the retail side of the business. Another supply chain dilemma facing private clubs is how to deal with the growing backlog on member waitlists.Indeed, just as COVID-19 caused a surge of renewed interest in the game and dramatic gains in national rounds played and overall revenue, private golf in particular appears to be thriving. At least that’s one way to describe the latest data from Golf Life Navigators and research partner, ClubBenchmarking, showing nearly half of the private clubs polled now have waitlists.
Read more..https://www.golfincmagazine.com/content/private-club-waitlists-are-all-time-high

[Carl Johnson]

My club's waitlist has grown dramatically.  Just a guess, but if we ever get back to pre-Covid normal, the interest will decline.  I don't see why it would not.  Related, here's a funny story about a dispute between a new member and a club here in Charlotte. https://www.charlotteobserver.com/sports/article256030457.html


If the link doesn't work, Google: Wil Myers Carmel Country Club [size=78%] -- see if that works.[/size]

[Jim Sherma]

The covid-induced increased play clearly alters a club's access and culture vis a vis the membership. I resigned a second club membership over this as the tee time availability and quality of the greens were both dramatically affected by a tripling of member rounds. The increased play also caused the club to add more formal restrictions to my non-resident second club membership tier, obviously with an increase in dues/fees associated with less access and quality. Made it fairly easy to drop the membership as I no longer felt like I was getting premium product while still paying premium prices.


I get that the club can hide behind contractual legalese when it comes to Myers' case. However, given the waiting list I'm surprised that they just don't look at what Myers already paid as found revenue while calling the next person on the list.

[Ronald Montesano]

Groucho Marx sez that there is an opening in Friar's Head the Friars Club ...

[Rob Marshall]

The covid-induced increased play clearly alters a club's access and culture vis a vis the membership. I resigned a second club membership over this as the tee time availability and quality of the greens were both dramatically affected by a tripling of member rounds. The increased play also caused the club to add more formal restrictions to my non-resident second club membership tier, obviously with an increase in dues/fees associated with less access and quality. Made it fairly easy to drop the membership as I no longer felt like I was getting premium product while still paying premium prices.


I get that the club can hide behind contractual legalese when it comes to Myers' case. However, given the waiting list I'm surprised that they just don't look at what Myers already paid as found revenue while calling the next person on the list.

Guessing that they don't want to set a precedent.

[Ian Mackenzie]

Stock market is also at an all-time high and there is a direct correlation here.


After 2008 "correction", most of these same clubs saw their memberships trimmed meaningfully.
Since then, it's been largest bull run in history (I believe).


When the shoe drops again, and it will, let's hope that the clubs that took on all that debt to fund restoration and upgrade projects can hold their own.

[Mike_Trenham]

The covid-induced increased play clearly alters a club's access and culture vis a vis the membership. I resigned a second club membership over this as the tee time availability and quality of the greens were both dramatically affected by a tripling of member rounds. The increased play also caused the club to add more formal restrictions to my non-resident second club membership tier, obviously with an increase in dues/fees associated with less access and quality. Made it fairly easy to drop the membership as I no longer felt like I was getting premium product while still paying premium prices.


I get that the club can hide behind contractual legalese when it comes to Myers' case. However, given the waiting list I'm surprised that they just don't look at what Myers already paid as found revenue while calling the next person on the list.

Guessing that they don't want to set a precedent.

Looked at the club website and it seems as if it could be in part timing.  The club is renovating one of their two courses so that would make getting tee times difficult.  Probably most years it’s a breeze.  Obtaining membership is a long term decision for most new members, less so for a MLB player.

[Tim Martin]

The covid-induced increased play clearly alters a club's access and culture vis a vis the membership. I resigned a second club membership over this as the tee time availability and quality of the greens were both dramatically affected by a tripling of member rounds. The increased play also caused the club to add more formal restrictions to my non-resident second club membership tier, obviously with an increase in dues/fees associated with less access and quality. Made it fairly easy to drop the membership as I no longer felt like I was getting premium product while still paying premium prices.


I get that the club can hide behind contractual legalese when it comes to Myers' case. However, given the waiting list I'm surprised that they just don't look at what Myers already paid as found revenue while calling the next person on the list.

Guessing that they don't want to set a precedent.

Looked at the club website and it seems as if it could be in part timing.  The club is renovating one of their two courses so that would make getting tee times difficult.  Probably most years it’s a breeze.  Obtaining membership is a long term decision for most new members, less so for a MLB player.

You have to wonder what the price of the negative publicity is for the club. Even in the current environment that type of action has the potential to scare off new or existing members.

[Jeff Schley]

The covid-induced increased play clearly alters a club's access and culture vis a vis the membership. I resigned a second club membership over this as the tee time availability and quality of the greens were both dramatically affected by a tripling of member rounds. The increased play also caused the club to add more formal restrictions to my non-resident second club membership tier, obviously with an increase in dues/fees associated with less access and quality. Made it fairly easy to drop the membership as I no longer felt like I was getting premium product while still paying premium prices.


I get that the club can hide behind contractual legalese when it comes to Myers' case. However, given the waiting list I'm surprised that they just don't look at what Myers already paid as found revenue while calling the next person on the list.

Guessing that they don't want to set a precedent.

Looked at the club website and it seems as if it could be in part timing.  The club is renovating one of their two courses so that would make getting tee times difficult.  Probably most years it’s a breeze.  Obtaining membership is a long term decision for most new members, less so for a MLB player.

Also if a club is renovating their course, you are most likely going to have a pay some/all of the recently passed assessment to fund the improvements.

[Jerry Kluger]

There are quite a few clubs that are now owned by corporations such as Club Corp which are for profit companies and they have not been limiting the number of members at their clubs.  A private club which was bought by a corporation in my area and I have been told by members who have left there and came to my club, that the club has more than 500 members for one course and it was impossible to get tee times on the weekends.  My club is also private and is owned by one person and as I understand it the membership grew by more than 200 during Covid. We have 3 courses so right now things are still okay with over 1,100 members and the club has stated that they are not admitting any new members unless another member leaves but we are very concerned and hopefully they will stick to that plan.

[MKrohn]

The covid-induced increased play clearly alters a club's access and culture vis a vis the membership. I resigned a second club membership over this as the tee time availability and quality of the greens were both dramatically affected by a tripling of member rounds. The increased play also caused the club to add more formal restrictions to my non-resident second club membership tier, obviously with an increase in dues/fees associated with less access and quality. Made it fairly easy to drop the membership as I no longer felt like I was getting premium product while still paying premium prices.


I get that the club can hide behind contractual legalese when it comes to Myers' case. However, given the waiting list I'm surprised that they just don't look at what Myers already paid as found revenue while calling the next person on the list.

Guessing that they don't want to set a precedent.

Looked at the club website and it seems as if it could be in part timing.  The club is renovating one of their two courses so that would make getting tee times difficult.  Probably most years it’s a breeze.  Obtaining membership is a long term decision for most new members, less so for a MLB player.

You have to wonder what the price of the negative publicity is for the club. Even in the current environment that type of action has the potential to scare off new or existing members.

Or alternatively some like me might be attracted to a club that stands by its principles.

[SB]

There are quite a few clubs that are now owned by corporations such as Club Corp which are for profit companies and they have not been limiting the number of members at their clubs.  A private club which was bought by a corporation in my area and I have been told by members who have left there and came to my club, that the club has more than 500 members for one course and it was impossible to get tee times on the weekends.  My club is also private and is owned by one person and as I understand it the membership grew by more than 200 during Covid. We have 3 courses so right now things are still okay with over 1,100 members and the club has stated that they are not admitting any new members unless another member leaves but we are very concerned and hopefully they will stick to that plan.

I am aware of numerous clubs owned by Clubcorp that CUT the allowable number of members, because rounds per member were up as Jim said and they wanted to make sure their members could get out. 

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