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Ryan Hillenbrand

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Pine Tree
« on: March 26, 2019, 05:29:11 PM »
Had a chance to play here a few weeks back and surprised it hasn't been brought up in over a decade.

I remember hearing the name "Pine Tree" dropped by my 80 yr old boss as if it was the place back in the 60s and 70s. Trying to think of a comparison to today where pros are members due to its difficulty and share it with the affluent on equal footing - maybe Whisper Rock?

Considering it was built in the "dark ages" by a guy I had little exposure to, when I saw the flat landscape and copious amounts of greenside bunkers I thought this would be a place I wouldn't care for -the poster child for what was great then but isn't now. And after getting my teeth kicked in score-wise that could have been the case. But I ended up really liking it. It demanded shot making, holes were distinct from one another, and the greens were incredible.

I'm still a neophyte here and I think this was the first Wilson course I've played. For those who have played it and liked it,  what makes it appreciable in an age where most of us gravitate to minimalist style design?

Kyle Harris

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Re: Pine Tree
« Reply #1 on: March 26, 2019, 05:48:54 PM »
What isn't minimalist about Pine Tree?
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Steve_ Shaffer

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Re: Pine Tree
« Reply #2 on: March 26, 2019, 06:05:42 PM »
Ben Hogan:  " The best flat course in the country"


Frequently mentioned here.

Some good comments at https://www.top100golfcourses.com/golf-course/pine-tree
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Ryan Hillenbrand

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Re: Pine Tree
« Reply #3 on: March 26, 2019, 06:13:45 PM »
What isn't minimalist about Pine Tree?

I suppose from my view, almost all pushed up greens surrounded by bunkers on an otherwise dead flat course, water hazards, gigantic long tee boxes in many cases,... If I'm wrong Kyle ( and I could be), tell me where you're seeing the minimalism

Kyle Harris

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Re: Pine Tree
« Reply #4 on: March 26, 2019, 06:18:53 PM »
What isn't minimalist about Pine Tree?

I suppose from my view, almost all pushed up greens surrounded by bunkers on an otherwise dead flat course, water hazards, gigantic long tee boxes in many cases,... If I'm wrong Kyle ( and I could be), tell me where you're seeing the minimalism


It's not that you're wrong or right but I find that an interesting dichotomy. Are the clearly added features at least natural looking? The photos I've seen of Pine Tree are aesthetically very pleasing. There are a lot of features, but they are executed in a unobtrusive manner.
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Tommy Williamsen

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Re: Pine Tree
« Reply #5 on: March 26, 2019, 06:30:26 PM »
It's been a long time since I played there and I hear ,"it's the best flat course" talk. I knew it was on a flat piece of ground, it just didn't seem to play flat. It has some great bunkering and green complexes that make it feel less flat.
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Kalen Braley

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Re: Pine Tree
« Reply #6 on: March 26, 2019, 06:48:52 PM »
I always figured the best flat course winner is TOC or Seminole?

Tim Martin

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Re: Pine Tree
« Reply #7 on: March 26, 2019, 07:36:32 PM »
It was advertised as fast and firm by the golf shop this past Winter and it sure was. I could have easily played a tee back and still enjoyed the day. The green complexes and bunker schemes turn an otherwise pedestrian piece of land into a really fun and compelling golf course.





Terry Lavin

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Re: Pine Tree
« Reply #8 on: March 26, 2019, 08:24:28 PM »
The course is great. The membership is awesome. Top 5 Private Club in that area IMHO.
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John Kirk

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Re: Pine Tree
« Reply #9 on: March 26, 2019, 10:13:39 PM »
Chiming in with the other admirers...
I played it once about ten years ago.  Excellent golf course with angled greens that place an emphasis on proper placement of your drive.  If you get a little out of position, then you're playing defense.  Superb conditioning.  Fun to play and easy to walk.  Challenging but not demoralizing.
Really great. 

Joe Bausch

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Re: Pine Tree
« Reply #10 on: March 27, 2019, 03:21:56 AM »
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Anthony_Nysse

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Re: Pine Tree
« Reply #11 on: March 27, 2019, 05:56:35 AM »
Had a chance to play here a few weeks back and surprised it hasn't been brought up in over a decade.

I remember hearing the name "Pine Tree" dropped by my 80 yr old boss as if it was the place back in the 60s and 70s. Trying to think of a comparison to today where pros are members due to its difficulty and share it with the affluent on equal footing - maybe Whisper Rock?

Considering it was built in the "dark ages" by a guy I had little exposure to, when I saw the flat landscape and copious amounts of greenside bunkers I thought this would be a place I wouldn't care for -the poster child for what was great then but isn't now. And after getting my teeth kicked in score-wise that could have been the case. But I ended up really liking it. It demanded shot making, holes were distinct from one another, and the greens were incredible.

I'm still a neophyte here and I think this was the first Wilson course I've played. For those who have played it and liked it,  what makes it appreciable in an age where most of us gravitate to minimalist style design?



It's been brought up a fair amount. I posted many pics of some of the renovation/restoration work when I was Superintendent there from 2009-2015. If you can play at PT, you can play anywhere.
  Ron Forse was responsible for a large renovation there in 1997, restoring many of the Wilson bunkers to form. Bobby Weed renovated the bunkers & greens in 2005 & also regrassed greens/tees/approaches with Tifeagle & fairways with Tifsport. In 2012, we regrassed the fairways & approaches to Celebration. In 2013, we restored the greenside bunkers & regrassed the approaches. In 2014, we build the short game area left of #10fwy. In 2018, the driving range floor/targets were completely overhauled. Ron continues to work with the club on it's master plan.
  Certain members have really stepped up to the plate in the last 8-10 years to make sure the integrity of the course remains & that that it doesn't "fall" into the wrong hands.
  Fun fact-Their new Director of Agronomy starts today. He was the Superintendent at Indian Creek in MIA for the last 24 years. That guy gets it and certainly will continue ensure PT remains the gem that it is. How this place continues to NOT be ranked in the Top 10 in FL is beyond me. You're not going to be wowed by amenities, flowers, fountains, vistas & a lunch, green golf course. That's not what they are about. If you're looking strictly at architecture, this place is incredible & a place you can play over & over & over....& they do.
Anthony J. Nysse
Director of Golf Courses & Grounds
Apogee Club
Hobe Sound, FL

Bruce Wellmon

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Re: Pine Tree
« Reply #12 on: March 27, 2019, 08:57:16 AM »
I had the good fortune to play Pine Tree last Friday and would go back in a heartbeat. There are some fantastic green complexes. You have to be able to be very precise with your iron play at Pine Tree for sure. If you can play there, you can play anywhere.

Paul Jones

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Re: Pine Tree
« Reply #13 on: April 01, 2019, 04:41:08 PM »
. If you can play there, you can play anywhere.



Bruce, Tony


When you (or others) say If you can play there, you can play anywhere?  Are you referring to the course being difficult?  I hear that saying often, but not sure if everyone means the same thing.


I played it once and really enjoyed it.  I am a member of a Dick Wilson course and I am thankful I was able to experience Pine Tree.



Paul Jones
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Bruce Wellmon

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Re: Pine Tree
« Reply #14 on: April 01, 2019, 05:14:03 PM »
IMO, the greens at Pine Tree require a very precise approach shot. The greens roll out which compounds being inaccurate. If you are a member there you will be either a very good iron striker who can control distance or have a good short game. Of course you can say that about courses like Old Town with the Maxwell rolls.

Jon Wiggett

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Re: Pine Tree
« Reply #15 on: April 07, 2019, 05:14:45 PM »
I always figured the best flat course winner is TOC or Seminole?



Kalen,


TOC is one of the most undulating courses you will ever play on. On the flipside there are plenty of courses with a lot of elevation change which play very flat. Golf course architecture is about the ground you play on yet so many think it is about the setting and surrounds.


Jon

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