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Jon Wiggett

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Re: Ryder Cup
« Reply #25 on: March 04, 2016, 03:56:01 AM »

Naw, I think it's your fellow Americans who are, the rest of the world are just laughing at you all making excuses already :-)

I think most of the world couldn't care less. Its taken way too seriously. And I'm European !

As with the case of GB&I maybe the USA boys just are not able to compete. Perhaps it is time for Canada and South America to bolster the ranks to make a proper game of it ;)

Ed Tilley

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Re: Ryder Cup
« Reply #26 on: March 04, 2016, 04:35:10 AM »
and yes,
I think the reason Jack has 20 majors and Hunter has none is mindset.
i.e. putting majors and Ryder Cup in their proper perspective, preparing properly. without becoming obsessed, and then executing.


If it's simply that the Ryder Cup is soooo much more pressure than when Jack played, why does Hunter have no majors?


I'd argue that he simply doesn't perform at peak level at the times most important to him-but in the rank and file tour events his game resurfaces.
which is why Jack is trying to mind jedi the Americans into presenting the games they show up with at rank and file Tour events. (the Ryder Cup courses certainly are generally rank and file ::) ::) )

I'm pretty sure if the Ryder cup had been as big a deal in 1981 as it is now, Jack would've done ok.

There are 2 mutually exclusive points I'm trying to make:

1. There is more pressure on the Ryder Cup (i.e. the deciding match) than there is on a "normal" major. Major champions from both sides have said this (Faldo, McDowell, Irwin). There is also more pressure than there used to be when Nicklaus was playing.
2. The reason that Jack Nicklaus has 18 majors and Hunter Mahan has none is because he was a vastly superior player in all ways (i.e. physical, mental). Mahan has "only" won 6 regular tour events, Nicklaus won 55 so it is not just majors where the gulf is vast. Nicklaus would have done well in the current Ryder Cup because he was the best player that ever lived.

Personally, I don't care that much about the Ryder Cup. I'll watch it but it is not the be all and end all that some people over here make it out to be. I also think the US will win big this year. They have the better team and they are at home.

Kalen Braley

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Re: Ryder Cup
« Reply #27 on: March 04, 2016, 11:23:51 AM »
Ben,

Without nerding out, my only points are:

1)  Everything is arbitrary, especially sports.  I know there are millions around the world who love hockey and think its the best ever....but for me I can take it or leave it.  But just because I don't care, doesn't mean it isn't interesting... its just not to me.

2)  Golf is an individual sport AND/OR a team sport...its not a zero-sum thing.  And just because you can take it or leave it when it comes to the Ryder Cup, doesn't mean there aren't millions more who really enjoy watching it and care about the results.

Its as simple as that my friend!  :D

Thomas Dai

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Re: Ryder Cup
« Reply #28 on: March 04, 2016, 01:07:57 PM »
.........doesn't mean there aren't millions more who really enjoy watching it and care about the results.


.....and whose income or part-income i$n't enhanced or even part dependent upon it. It's now a pretty $ignificant  'trickle down' £$€ event in term$ of golf and related  $pin-off activities.


Atb

Kalen Braley

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Re: Ryder Cup
« Reply #29 on: March 04, 2016, 01:38:33 PM »
.........doesn't mean there aren't millions more who really enjoy watching it and care about the results.


.....and whose income or part-income i$n't enhanced or even part dependent upon it. It's now a pretty $ignificant  'trickle down' £$€ event in term$ of golf and related  $pin-off activities.


Atb

Agreed, there's that too!

But for 99.9% of people watching they have no $kin or $$ benefit....they just want to watch the drama!!  ;)

Dan Kelly

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Re: Ryder Cup
« Reply #30 on: March 04, 2016, 01:40:15 PM »
We Minnesotans have long suspected that just around the time a Ryder Cup came here, the rest of the world would start pooh-poohing it.
Naw, I think it's your fellow Americans who are, the rest of the world are just laughing at you all making excuses already :-)


"You all"? I'm not making any excuses! That's for later....
"There's no money in doing less." -- Joe Hancock, 11/25/2010
"Rankings are silly and subjective..." -- Tom Doak, 3/12/2016

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