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Jason Thurman

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What do you think of this green?
« on: October 05, 2015, 11:53:59 AM »
I got in the car in the rain at 7:30 Saturday morning to drive an hour across town and out into meth-lab country for a scramble in a cow pasture. At 8, I got a call that the scramble had been canceled due to the weather. A quick look at the radar showed the rain was moving out before another band would come in a few hours later. Figuring courses would be empty, I went ahead and made the trip over to another east-side boondocks course that I'd been meaning to play for a while. Stonelick Hills is located east of Cincinnati and was designed by the local sandwich peddler who owns the place.


I found a surprisingly good collection of holes that, despite some really long transitions between them, proved to be a lot of fun to play. Aside from the very tedious walk, it probably ranks as the best modern course I've played that was built by its owner without an architect's involvement. I'll certainly return. While the course has a handful of better holes, the one that stood out to me was the 8th. It's a mid-length dogleg-left par 4 with an aesthetically unimpressive but still interesting tee shot, followed by this:





From the above photo 50 yards out (the approach will likely be played from 100-150 yards for the player who cuts the dogleg), you can see the front edge of the green in the left-center. The massive putting surface extends back some 35 yards, and features a right edge that wraps around the greenside bunker. You can see the day's pin back on the back corner.


From closer to the front edge of the green:





A large thumbprint in the green is barely perceptible in the photo above, but very clearly present on the ground. It allows a player to swing a ball around from the front right of the green to a back right pin, but the ball needs to be struck very precisely to get close. Putts from the center of the green or anywhere on the left side are far more straightforward:





What do you think of this?
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Matthew Petersen

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Re: What do you think of this green?
« Reply #1 on: October 05, 2015, 12:39:05 PM »
Nice-looking green. Interesting that it comes on a dogleg left, meaning if the pin is back as pictured, you really want to hug the inside corner of the dogleg.

Dan Kelly

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Re: What do you think of this green?
« Reply #2 on: October 05, 2015, 01:00:45 PM »
Looks like fun.


Can you see the hole location from the tee?
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Alex Miller

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Re: What do you think of this green?
« Reply #3 on: October 05, 2015, 01:23:02 PM »
Just looked at their website. Tell me about the 16th hole!

cary lichtenstein

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Re: What do you think of this green?
« Reply #4 on: October 05, 2015, 02:18:01 PM »
I never liked a green that you can't putt to the hole from anywhere on the green
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Jason Thurman

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Re: What do you think of this green?
« Reply #5 on: October 05, 2015, 02:24:20 PM »
Dan, the only thing really visible from the tee is the 150 stake. The hole bends pretty hard around a mound. The pro shop does, however, offer a pin sheet to each group.


Alex, 16 plays much shorter than its listed yardage as I think they measured it down the center of the right fairway. From the blue tees it's listed at 309 but only 260 to the middle of the green. With a strong helping wind, I didn't see much of a decision from that yardage as I figured I could hit a 3 wood and draw it away from the water with very little risk. I hit it just shy of the front edge, chipped to 8 inches, and tapped in for birdie. It would be much more dangerous with a driver, at least for me, as I very rarely miss right with a 3 wood but do so much more frequently with driver. With the angle that the water cuts in on, you could very safely hit a 220 yard shot off the tee and anything other than a major slice will stay dry and leave a simple wedge. I'm not sure that there's really a pin that would compel me to use the left fairway.
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John Connolly

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Re: What do you think of this green?
« Reply #6 on: October 05, 2015, 02:40:22 PM »
Like the green OK ... Multistem tree lodged near the bunker? Not so much.
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Jason Thurman

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Re: What do you think of this green?
« Reply #7 on: October 05, 2015, 02:50:25 PM »
John, I would normally agree with you. However, I think this is the rare island bunker that works. Given the way the green wraps around the bunker and the way the bunker wraps around the tree, a player always has an unimpeded shot toward a portion of the putting surface from the sand. However, the tree may block the direct line to the flag depending on where a player misses relative to the day's pin. Because the green has contours allowing the ball to be worked toward most pin positions, it will almost always be possible to hit a terrific shot to within 15 feet or so of the hole, if not closer. Attempting such a recovery may require some real risk though, and there are no doubt times when a blast to the center of the green will be the smarter play. I don't see this as a double-hazard so much because a reasonable escape will almost always be possible, but it is probably a legitimate 3/4 shot penalty even for a good bunker player.
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Paul Gray

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Re: What do you think of this green?
« Reply #8 on: October 05, 2015, 05:40:13 PM »
I never liked a green that you can't putt to the hole from anywhere on the green

I might have misread it but I think Jason makes the point that the contours allow you to do exactly that. Otherwise, I'd absolutely agree with you. When the aerialroute is the best option on a putting surface, something is wrong in my opinion.
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John Connolly

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Re: What do you think of this green?
« Reply #9 on: October 05, 2015, 06:43:37 PM »
It's not a bunker shot with an adjacent tree that perplexes me. It's trying to figure out the value of having the tree so nefariously close to the green in the first place. Is it to ensure there is no other route to the hole but an indirect one should a player being playing from the right side of the fairway? When a tree dictates direction of play to a golfer standing in the fairway, it makes me scratch my head.


I also believe it compromises the aesthetic of an otherwise good green complex.
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Ian Mackenzie

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Re: What do you think of this green?
« Reply #10 on: October 05, 2015, 07:53:41 PM »
Like the green OK ... Multistem tree lodged near the bunker? Not so much.


Agree.
Ditto for those crappy little bushes behind green on left side.
Well, crappy bushes to right of green would fall, too, if I had a chain saw....:-)

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